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Donald Trump vows to lock up political enemies if he returns to White House
(www.theguardian.com)
Again, this is literal, undeniable, and without hyperbole, fascism.
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Faschism 101
Okay, to anyone who actually supports what Trump is saying and thinks it’s okay, let’s break things down.
First of all, I understand you think it’s okay to do, because you think it’s already being done by Democrats. But regardless of who started it, by saying it’s okay for Trump to do this you are also saying it’s okay for anyone else to do this. Because, if it’s a good thing to do, then it must be a good thing to do by someone you don’t like. If it’s okay to jail a political opponent, then it must be okay to be jailed for being a political opponent, right?
Let’s shift gears here. It’s okay for Trump to unilaterally jail political opponents without due process because you believe Democrats are already doing it to Trump (despite literally going through due process right now). If Democrats really wielded this type of power with as much evil intent as you think, then they would give up the appearance of pretense right? Exactly how Trump is boasting he would do? Wouldn’t it just be easier to throw Trump in a dark hole and forget about him? Not have to worry about all those pesky laws getting in the way?
Here’s a simple challenge to see if something should or should not be done: If the other side did it, would it be a bad thing? If yes, then it should not be done.
"They started hitting me first. So I hit back"
You:
First of all, I understand you think it’s okay to do, because you think it’s already being done by aggressors. But regardless of who started it, by saying it’s okay for self-defenders to do this you are also saying it’s okay for anyone else to do this. Because, if it’s a good thing to do, then it must be a good thing to do by someone you don’t like.
Your argument has no merit if this were an actual self-defense situation. Which Trump's followers believe it is. So you'd need to argue that it isn't a self-defense situation. Your argument wins no one over who needs to be won over.
Here in Aus, even we're happy for him to go to jail because his fascism and bigotry are spilling over here.
And I'm so tired of dealing with idiots who think it's good to be"anti-woke". They might as well be boasting about being an asshole and it's time for them to realize they left high school years ago
His fascism and bigotry aren't spilling over anywhere, Trump represents a mean streak in society that's dominated by wealth, eg, fascism. It's everywhere already, that's why non-Americans are focusing on Trump. You'll note that happens in anywhere defined by "Western society". Australia included. Hell, Qanon's founder didn't live in America.
I'm not saying any of this is good or right, but don't pretend your nation's fascists will slow down because of Trump. They won't. They were there already.
The same thing was happening back before WWII. Fascists existed in America before the war. They existed here after too. And Canada. And Australia, etc.
The issue in the US is that today, one of the two major political parties is every day becoming more clearly, and more openly, fascist. Maybe they always were fascist, but before, those people hid themselves, because they knew they would be ejected from the political process if they were out in the open.
You're absolutely correct that with or without Trump, fascism is on the rise. They're right out in the open now, proudly, and increasing their political capital in the US because they're fascists. Trump was the flashpoint personality around which these people found permission to openly be the fascists they always were. If it wasn't Trump, it would have been someone else.
It's that present-day permission to be shitheads that has spilled over from the US to other parts of the world. This is surely because of the US' position as a world leader politically, militarily, and culturally. If the same kind of thing had happened first in, say, Canada, the world would be far more likely to look at the situation with "Canada, WTF?"
He's empowered bigots..
Not saying they didn't exist before, but, now, because of him, they all feel safe speaking in code by using words like "woke". Because of him and nonsense like "China flu", I'm also observing casual racism against chinese people
Nah. I still disagree. "Casual racism against Chinese people" has been a mainstay of America since the railroads were built. Probably before.
I mean Bugs Bunny comes to mind, what more casually racist and beloved character is there?
Those guys were all using coded language for decades. Many white kids pick up on that language and adopted it. All while Trump was donating to the Clintons and well before too.
The danger in attributing this all to Trump is that Trump is going to die one day, fascism in America won't die with him.
He wants to fuck America just like he wants to fuck his daughter.
Former president tells Glenn Beck he would have ‘no choice’ but to lock up opponents ‘because they’re doing it to us’
Do you think… Do you think there’s even a light bulb in there any more? Clearly the lights are not on but I think someone has just run off with the copper in the walls at this point.
it's not the wiring in his head that I'm worried by.
is there anything resembling neural activity happening in the people who vote for him?
Or, hear me out, we vote for Biden, you lose, and spend the rest of your shitty life behind bars for your crimes against the American people and the world.
Or, hear me out, we vote for someone who wasn't alive before the Civil rights act.
Unless you live in a state with Ranked Choice Voting, the only viable options are the incumbent Democratic President, Biden, or the Republican nominee, likely Trump.
I'll be voting for Biden. Easiest decision of my life in fact.
He vowed that last time.
The fall of American democracy has tiny hands' finger prints all over it.
"ThE lEfT aRe WeApOnIzInG tHe LeGaL sYsTeM"
I'm not saying he sounds like Hitler but if das boot fits.
For a guy who said he wanted law and order and that you cat have a nation without laws, he sure is upset that we're getting law and order and enforcing the laws.
Judging from the speed with which he locked up Clinton, a central promise of his 2016 rallies, no-one needs to worry about this.
I feel like there was a chant and everything. Something about "send her to prison" or whatnot.
He says an awful lot of stuff. None of it is worth listening to.