They say they advocate communism but in fact they’re a bunch of edgy Stalinism fanboys
Yeah they make leftist ideas look really bad. Fuck tankies.
That, I suppose.
But, they're manuputing content, posting propaganda, brigading the votes in every thread.
Go read their comments, it's a real classy group.
Ha, here's a reply I got from their moderator:
Go and eat shit fed to you by your US masters as Europe crumbles, you pathetic eunuch.
https://lemm.ee/comment/898920
Their most active user also posts "news" and "politics" all over Lemmy, all day, every day.
Users from lemmygrad asking what's wrong with their instance are just outing themselves as unhealthy users, as far as I'm concerned...
It's a toxic echo-chamer full of misinformation and propaganda, akin to the donald on reddit with it's hateful and delusional rhetoric in one massive circle-jerk.
Fuck that cesspool.
To be fair, I think a lot of us would be confused when we just straight up have never seen a comment from them before.
Seeing that, yeah...that's pretty bad....
Eh, they have a bunch of alts too. They're not just on lemmygrad.
I meant users from lemmygrad asking what's wrong with the instance. Not users from other instances. I edited my comment to be more clear.
I stumbled into that instance from all a few times when I first joined Lemmy 4 weeks ago. There were not nearly as many users on lemmy at that time, so there were a lot of posts from that instance showing up in my feed..
But as reddit's 3rd party apps have ended and we've had a huge increase in active users, it has really drowned out that toxic instance from my feed. It's a good thing to me hearing you say most users now are unaware of them. I hope they stay in obscurity or are defederated.
Hey, lemmygrad, how’s it going
> the comment
Yea
You may want to pass a screenshot of that message to your instance admins. Lemmy.world defederated from exploding heads after screenshots of messages by their admins like yours.
The mod reply is 🤌 that is some quality vitriol
Oh wow, and here I thought it was just a cringe name. Thanks!
I had never heard of them before, but then after the hack yesterday I saw a HUGE influx of their stuff and whatever the right-wing crap was too (something 'explode' or whatever). My whole feed was just filled with obvious propaganda crap that I would've expected from facebook.
Both lemmygrad and exploding heads are garbage
Careful, they'll shit BRICS if you keep up those kinds of comments. Just need to defederate and move on, leave them with the other idiots like the libertarians and flat earthers.
they’ll shit BRICS
Not sure if autocorrect failure or geopolitics pun.
nobody here gives a shit if anything is newsworthy. Or true. Or propaganda. This place is a shit show.
I mean what did you expect, you came to their place and insulted them.
Tbf, they deserved it. What I said is true. They are posting lies and propaganda all over Lemmy.
A tankie stubs his toe and blames the CIA
My neutral take: a lot of people, for various reasons, don't like hardline communists.
Not even Communists, Tankies specifically.
Yup. I’m a leftist, so naturally hold some of the more “extreme” left views. But holy shit tankies will say anything to avoid admitting that communism has been abused throughout history. Lots of “Maybe those genocides and famines weren’t so bad” apologetics.
My favorite take is "Stalin was right wing".
Like how delusional can you get?
"The Khmer Rouge wasn't communist" is another good one.
I put it this way:
I want to maximize the level of equality in our societies. I want a floor of poverty below which a citizen cannot fall and a ceiling of wealth beyond which a person cannot rise. I do not think the tested and failed ideas of a 19th century philosopher are worth putting more time and human misery into.
We can do better, we SHOULD have learned something in the last 100ish years.
I am a bit uncomfortable with the word tankies. It really applies to a different group from a different time. It was a right wing slur that was used to paint trade unions and vanilla liberals as enemies of the state.
I would like a new word to help us describe the highly online left that was radicalized. Whose hatred of capitalism got so hot that they started to lionize horrifying 20th century communism.
I guess tankies will do, but it’s a really complicated word from a complicated time.
The original "tankies" were British communists who supported Soviet violence against Hungarian and Czechoslovak communists. The revolutionary regimes in those countries were led by their communist parties, but independent of the Soviet Union. So the tankies showed loyalty to Soviet imperial power against communism.
They are the worst kind of communists, they love russia and china but fail to understand neither are even close to being communist they are probably as far as you can get the other way
Exactly. Although there is much debate over what Marx envisioned when he put forward the idea of a Communist society, it certainly didn't involve an authoritarian, single-party dictatorship where The Party oppresses the people.
Tankies are more Stalinist and Maoist apologists than actual communists.
The addled masses don't even comprehend the differences between communism, socialism and dictatorship...
Privileged, uneducated western kids that spend too much time on social media telling others how the world should look like.
All of them with a severe fetish for soviet nostalgia
And the other 65% is CCP and Kremlin LLM bots.
I'm from Eastern Europe and if anyone here said Stalin was good actually they would get their ass kicked pretty fast. A lot of people have lost family to the soviet occupation here and people defending that monster aren't really welcome. So yea, if I see posts praising Stalin in All I downvote them.
I'm just so done with the topic. I don’t want to engage in lengthy internet debates that benefit no one and only serve to reinforce each person's initial stance. I have no interest either in debating against or in favor of tankies.
Although as far as my experience here on lemmy/kbin has been, the people who seem far more interested in making posts (not talking about this one) and constantly bring up the topic are anti-tankies. There seems to be a group of the community here that is fervently anti-tankie, and has to let everyone know at every chance how much they despise tankies and how evil tankies are and so on. These people are the most tiresome by far, at least in my experience, I have yet to come across any of the much dreaded tankie content. Maybe it's because for some of the people in this group the mere fact (I don't know how much of a fact is it and I honestly do not care) of the admins of lemmy.ml being tankies is enough to trigger their outrage and anger.
I will say this, why are any of us placing so much focus (and for some, outrage) on some very niche groups of terminally online leftists, when there's been a very scary rise of fascism worldwide, especially in Europe and US, that is currently getting worse? I can guarantee you this new wave of fascism enjoys far more popular support than Marxist-Leninists have, or ever have in western countries. Seems like worrying over the mosquito that’s biting your arm while there's a polar bear mauling the other side of your body. (Before anyone tries the “but tankies support fascism” gotcha, you should know actual Marxist-Leninists outside of these terminally online spaces do not support the current Russian imperial oligarchy, maybe people should also get informed about the concept of critical support, which is still very debatable)
I wish we had keyword filters on Kbin so I could be done with any and all content regarding the word “tankie”
Edit: To the very nice people who felt the need, Reddit-style, of just downvoting me without even taking part in the conversation. This goes out to you all: https://youtu.be/8mpeixSXYVU
How do I upvote you more than once?
Not only is your argument well thought out, but your observations closley match those I've seen.
I chronically search by all>new, and other than people reposting screenshots (from a month ago) of Grad's outrage at being de-federated, I have yet to see tankie posts.
Honestly, I think the two sides (tankie and anti tankie) are both teenager/20s looking at their side with rose coloured glasses.
Have you heard of our bae communism? Never mind that ugly business in 1970s Cambodia tee hee.
Have you heard about our bae Fascism? Franco did nothing wrong!
Well for one I'm grateful to read at least someone thought it was a reasonable opinion because I've seem to have gotten a personal record of people mad.
I thought we could be done with the Reddit-style attitude towards downvotes (especially with votes being public and all), I'm talking about people who are not even in the conversation and just happen to be lurking and downvote because they don't like your comment or whatever. Such a lame thing to do.
If you disagree with someone over the content of their comment you can reply with your thoughts. Save the downvotes for trolls, bad faith actors, people spewing hate speech (especially fascist rhetoric) and people who are aggressively argumentative to the point of being disrespectful. We can keep it civil if we exclude the usual suspects of hate and trolling.
This is consistent with my experience. Haven't seen any tankie content, but I've seen constant whining about commies from people who are still upset about the fall of Berlin.
I will say this, why are any of us placing so much focus (and for some, outrage) on some very niche groups of terminally online leftists, when there’s been a very scary rise of fascism worldwide, especially in Europe and US, that is currently getting worse? I can guarantee you this new wave of fascism enjoys far more popular support than Marxist-Leninists have, or ever have in western countries. Seems like worrying over the mosquito that’s biting your arm while there’s a polar bear mauling the other side of your body
there is a single post about lemmygrad among a multitude of news articles about said rise of fascism, i dont really know why youre seemingly under the impression that people are complaining about tankies instead of fascism
it sounds like youre suggesting that folks should just shelve any issues with problematic groups while fascisms about, which sounds like a terrible idea even if fascism wasnt an ever present danger
also, those fascists do not have a serious presence on this platform compared to lemmygrad, it shouldnt be surprising that folks will discuss the toxic behaviour of an instance when its as big a part of the fediverse' userbase as lemmygrad. the only one even remotely comparable is exploding-heads, which definitely gets at least as much hate
(Before anyone tries the “but tankies support fascism” gotcha, you should know actual Marxist-Leninists outside of these terminally online spaces do not support the current Russian imperial oligarchy, maybe people should also get informed about the concept of critical support, which is still very debatable)
but were specifically talking about the marxists on these terminally online spaces that support the current russian imperial oligarchy
ignoring that lemmygrad only ever accepts the concept of critical support when it comes to their support of inhumane regimes, its also just not particularly applicable when its their tendency to defend specifically those inhumane practices that people are disagreeing with
there is a single post about lemmygrad
If you check the front page semi-regularly I'm sure you will have seen there's a constant influx, to put it lightly, of memes complaining nonstop about Lemmygrad, tankies, tankie ideology and so on. I'm far from a very active user and I've been able to notice.
Sure, there are news articles being posted about fascism, but an equal response? Don't be disingenuous. Where are all the memes about rising fascism? All the same outrage in the comments? The response is far from symmetrical.
were specifically talking about the marxists on these terminally online spaces that support the current russian imperial oligarchy.
Are we though? Cause most of the posts and comments seem to be addressing tankies as a whole. Not recognizing that these two are being used interchangeably to mean one and the same would be arguing in bad faith.
And implying Lemmygrad is an accurate representation of the current geopolitical positions of Marxist-Leninist communities in real life is laughable at best and a purposefully disingenuous strawman at worst.
The problem with them is, they act like a cult. You might have heard that term in relation to Trump supporters and yes, they act and speak very similar. You have the same amouth of whataboutism, the same amouth of hypocracy, the same amouth of hate and the same amouth of dishonesty. I fucking hate the bOtH sIdEs argument and the enlightened center, but here we are.
A couple of weeks ago, a two year old post was brought up on Hot, because...idk Lemmy I guess. This happened all the time in the first weeks after the exodus. In this post OP called the "special operation" in Ukraine a powermove for marxism^1)^ and a all in all good thing. You might think "It has been two years by now, maybe they changed?". No, I looked into the account and OP immediately made another post, linking his original post and creating a circle jerk for his fellow ghouls. Here you had people celebrating, that now they are the ones with the banhammer while in the same time crying about not having a conversation.
Afaik, they do this all the time. This post might be up there too. So I blocked every single community and every user I came across in the wild. There aren't that many, so they are a very small but vocal minority. Nothing of value was lost. Nothing of valule will be lost in the future. Mom told me not to talk to crazy people. Fuck them.
^1)^ Oh, and if you think that an invasion of a sovereign nation by the worlds most corrupt Kleptocracy is a powermove for marxism, you can eat my socialist ass.
Some drama is just down to their politics (authoritarian Marxist Leninist in the main), and some relating to their moderation based on politics (bans for users posting articles critical of China, allegedly). You should be able to search and find recent treads, here is one I still had a tab open from yesterday:
Another part of this is people's concerns about whether their politics influences their development of Lemmy.
What is most fascinating is they created something that respects the independence of each instance to rule themselves as they see fit regardless of whether they approve or disapprove of that instances beliefs and values, so it's protected from even themselves. That alone shows the ideals of having respect for freedom and independence for any instance and that they support the idea of sovereignty for any that want it.
They are against authoritarian rules if going by the lemmy function with the ease with which individuals can leave instances and create new ones. If the concept of lemmy was applied to countries they would be against the idea of any invasions of sovereign countries, and respect each countries desire for independence and retaining their culture. Even the mechanism of defederation is a endorsement of keeping out invaders and they actively use it, and they'd be very vocal against countries that are invading or planning to invade saying it goes against the concept of the right for countries to rule themselves if they truly bought into the concept of what they created.
Lemmy as a tech is down right anti authoritarian with the power given to the people and built in foundation of ensuring the independence of each instance. Very ironic actually that certain historical figures that they worship would be incredibly against such a movement in real life that threatened their one party state and ease with which people could just leave and create their own nations if they disliked the rulers.
Nobody likes tankies. With good reason.
lemmygrad is geared towards radical marxists supportive of china and/or russia
this means their users (and moderators) come from a far side of the political spectrum and are going to tend towards radicalism and extremism, and that their views tend to align with two hostile dictatorships notorious for their repeated disinterest in citizens rights or basic decency
all of which makes for a hotbed of toxicity with a modteam that doesnt particularly mind as long as its directed towards non-marxists
Same kind of humorless dolts who inhabit left spaces on reddit and are a uniquely a product of reddit’s culture of total conformity. Leftblr used to make fun of them all the time. Speaking from my own experience, I am a tankie, or at least most would accuse me of being such. But I didn’t pass the Lemmygrad purity test, and they blocked my registration because I said gender is fake and gay on my application (gay used as a pejorative). Not saying I didn't or deserve a warning but yeesh context matters. Which is my personal experience, but if they are that way toward other communists, they are going to be way harder on perceived liberals so most people don't like seeing their posts day to day.
But I didn’t pass the Lemmygrad purity test, and they blocked my registration because I said gender is fake and gay on my application (gay used as a pejorative).
Wow, I actually have a small bit of respect for them now. Didn't think that was possible.
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