Neil deGrasse Tyson is the living embodiment of "Ackchually". Every time I hear anything about him, it's because he's never heard of suspension of disbelief and makes stupid comments "correcting" anything that was obviously made for artistic or philosophical purposes.
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I don't get the hate. People turn to him for more "sciency" answers and in most cases the answer is "it's scientifically bogus". What kind of answer are you expecting? One where he throws out all credibility of his answer by forgoing science? At that point you might as well ask me and not him.
As an example, I dont think anyone prompted him for a science answer on this.
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928?lang=en
I just think the guy can be pretty tone deaf, trying to make science the point of something when it very much has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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I like Neil... He's asbergers as fuck but I always liked his passion and the way he explains things with energy and without making the question asker feel like an idiot.
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After his interview about plant aliens coming to Earth and looking in horror at how people eat vegetables, I refuse to listen to anything that this man says. I used to really like him as a kid, shame.
That's ironic, on the flip side you have people in the ufo/alien circles who are upset because of his statements that no other civilization would ever want to visit or study this planet.
The book also wasn't, shocking i know.
Almost like, and hear me out on this, science fiction isn't science, but fiction.
mind blown
A lot of science fiction should instead be called science fantasy.
Which is why I hate the majority of scifi as they aren’t self aware.
Self aware science fantasy can be excellent.
Hard science fiction can also be excellent for different reasons.
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I mean, honestly, the phenomena in the book were surprisingly plausible.
Obviously the movie took some liberties here and there, either out of necessity or purely for style, but pretty much everything in the book at least has some semblance of a connection to our current understanding of science.
I don't think seeing into the future using drugs and the crazy women cult with power to control people with their voice was really aiming for scientific accuracy.
Best part where they had genetic memories from after the genes were passed.
The books went to some pains to convey that memories after birth were not passed along. Haven't watched this flick though.
No, they weren't going to any lenght to show that, iirc Leto II and some BG admitted to have memories of many deaths, which would be impossible if those were genetic memories. The only one who legitly could have those was the last Duncan since he was ghola made from the amalgam of genetic material from many previous gholas, and even in his case it was explicitly said he had memories he shouldn't have.
It's just magic.
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The Bene Gesserit control people by knowing how to modulate their voice to trigger people's base instincts. Like, that instinct that tells you to run when you hear a tiger's roar, or shiver when you hear a whisper. It's just that, cranked up to 11. Iirc, they can only really use the Voice on a person after having studied them to find what they will react to (or if they happen to be particularly weak-willed).
As for seeing the future: Computers were replaced with humans long ago in Dune, but they continued to fill and develop those niches with the human mind. Future-sight is essentially like a supercomputer running a simulation, which is why Paul is able to see the future better when he takes spice, or the Water of Life. By gaining the latent genetic knowledge of his ancestors and thereby having more data to work from, he is better able to run these mental simulations.
The explanations were thorough and fun (in my opinion), just not the most scientific. But I think Dune, like star wars, was always more of a space opera than hard scifi. It definitely does a better job, but if your looking for a better "predict the future with data" scifi story, then foundation is a better fit from that era.
Foundation is awesome. It also has a very fun BBC radio drama on archive.org
latent genetic knowledge of his ancestors
Oh so complete fantasy
Well, yeah, it's a fiction novel.
Man I sure hope the year 10191 isn't considered scientifically accurate by 2024 standards
Newsflash!
Neil Degrasse Tyson secretly aspired to be a mentat; is sore he’ll lose cred if he reveals same.
In the book (and in the first movie) they specifically talk about "drum sand", in the book it's explained that it is a specific condition of the sand bed due to wind or something. Maybe Neil missed that?
I get his point about worm movement, though.
I assume the worms move with something akin to jet propulsion. They suck sand in the front continuously and it travels all the way through them and out the back.
All of these comments expressing distaste with Neil deGrasse Tyson's character. I want to hear what people think about the actual criticism though.
(For those who didn't click: sand absorbs sound, so there's no way worms can hear thumping. Also, how do the worms move while rigid/straight.)
The criticism is of course accurate enough. It's even addressed in the books - there is some discussion in the books about "drum sand", but it isn't really elaborated on in the movie.
You just have to read the books. It's a very good piece of science fiction
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It's based on a soft science book about a guy who can see into the future, has a super-computer brain and controls people with his voice. In later book a guy's clone gets his dead memories because he was ordered to kill his buddy. Another guy lives for 3000 years by putting worms on his skin.
It's a fun series with some philosophical themes. I recommend it. scientific accuracy was not a goal and seems beside the point, but it makes sense for a science entertainer to have something to say about it while it's trending
P.S. their plated skin is involved in their movement. Think it's less a wriggle sometimes and more like a sound wave. compress expand?
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and everybody forgets about the robots...
the worms arent entirely rigid, they're made of armored segments. and what's wrong with moving while being straight? lots of snakes do that.
Mfer is like the Krang version of a Reddit brain
He’s just jealous of mentat calculation abilities and making up any complaint he can possibly think of to discredit the franchise.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Famed astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson once again has a scientific bone to pick with a motion picture.
This time, per The Hollywood Reporter, Tyson's qualms are with the second installation of Dennis Villineuve's "Dune" series — a film in which a superhuman cohort of women use a special voice to perform mind control and a very bald Stellan Skarsgård floats through the air.
But as the scientist explained an appearance on the "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert" last week, his issues aren't with the superhuman magic of it all.
According to online forum discussions and a 2017 study, Tyson's right: sand is pretty good at absorbing noise.
But as Tyson points out, pretty much all legless, worm or snake-like creatures on Earth have to slither in S-shaped lines if they want to move forward.
Colbert and Tyson then went back and forth with some worm movement theories; the former offered that perhaps they have some sort of propellant system on their underbellies, while the latter wondered whether they might simply be "pooping really fast."
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No shit.
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