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[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 273 points 1 year ago (28 children)

This is very upsetting to me--more as a point of principle than in fact--but I appreciate that it doesn't bother younger generations at all. I just had a small argument with my 11 year old about how not-a-big-deal-who-cares this is, and it basically ended with us agreeing to disagree since it'll be his problem and his kids' problem.

And the problem is normalizing the notion that an OS doesn't need to include a non-subscription word processor. The entire point of this move is to shift the OS Overton Window in favor of consumers accepting and expecting that features like word processors, spreadsheets, etc., should be installed separately and paid for on a subscription basis despite previous iterations of the same software being feature complete on install and purchased at a set, non-recurring fee.

WordPad hasn't been anybody's first choice for a word processor in years, but it was included with Windows and did the bare minimum for unsophisticated users. Now we're entering an era in which those users will as a matter of course buy off-the-shelf computers that come pre-installed without WordPad, but rather with a trial of Office Fuck-You-Pay-Me Edition. Those users may well discover that after their first six months with their new computer (that has made Microsoft more money selling their data than they paid for it), they suddenly get a pop-up informing them that their trial is up and MS wants $99.99 to release the documents they're holding hostage.

It's a step backwards for consumers in general, so even for the sophisticated of us who are least likely to be personally affected by this change, there's definitely cause for alarm.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 135 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I get where you're coming from but I think you're overstating the impact in this day and age. If this had been 1995 it'd be a big deal. Now it's rediculously easy to install any alternative you like for free.

Libre Office is an entire free fully features office suite.

I'm less bothered about removing WordPad than I am about Microsoft advertising and pre-installing it's products in Windows - they force Edge on people, they push OneDrive and preinstall a preview of Office. That's the real problem - not losing WordPad.

At one point Anti-Trust / Anti-monopoly regulators globally punished Microsoft for pushing Internet Explorer to consumers and for a long time in Europe had to offer a choice of Browsers to download on new Windows installs. Now it's allowed to get away with abusing it's dominant position to force it's products on consumers.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Does liber office make .docx files and export to pdf?

[–] nul9o9@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago
[–] tool@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Does liber office make .docx files and export to pdf?

It does. It's fine as a replacement for Word, but no one has an answer for Excel. LibreOffice Calc is fine for a basic spreadsheet, but Excel is in a completely different universe than Calc with anything beyond that.

To be fair though, Excel is in a completely different universe than literally any other competing product.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 67 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I'd like to normalize the notion that an OS shouldn't include any application software except for a browser you can use to install other things. Let people pick what they want to use and install it themselves.

[–] sik0fewl@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, just download LibreOffice or use a free service like Google Docs.

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[–] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 28 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Yeah, even Apple includes the iWork suite (Pages, Numbers, and Keynote) for free on Macs and iPads, no subscription needed.

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[–] AndreTelevise@lemm.ee 84 points 1 year ago (3 children)

WordPad was a fast and efficient way to view doc files without loading into LibreOffice or any other office suite, or to make rich text documents quickly. But alas, we have to go to the cloud for our notes now...

[–] igorlogius@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] EonNShadow@pawb.social 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Seriously. Fuck OneNote with a cactus.

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[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Honestly, what is the point of Wordpad when you have Notepad and Word?

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 141 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not everyone has the money for a copy of Word. There once was a time when free rich text editors were valuable. But at this point I agree it isn't needed anymore. There are plenty of FOSS alternatives to word that hit that market. Microsoft has probably kept it around this long to prevent people from looking, but now they've put their bet on cloud services.

[–] TheEntity@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

There are plenty of FOSS alternatives to word that hit that market.

Plenty? I know one and its fork. That's about one and a half.

EDIT: Oh, you probably meant the rich text editors like Wordpad, not text processors like Word. My bad for misunderstanding.

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[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Honestly I'm not too bummed, especially with open-source solutions like Notepad++, but it's the end of an era! Also, Word is paid, and so Windows not having a built in free RTF editor is notable

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Not all of us have Word, and Notepad doesn’t have rich text or the ability to open .doc files.

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 56 points 1 year ago (8 children)
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[–] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

of course, gotta push more people to that godawful office 365 crap somehow

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[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 62 points 1 year ago

I mean, I use LibreOffice, but for people not that tech savvy it sucks they won't have a basic rich text tool included with Windows.

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 year ago (7 children)

To be replaced by a link to WordPad Bing AI Edition

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[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Am completely expecting this to be due to falling office sales or fear that people will realize they don't need expensive Office every few years when WordPad has 90% of functionality for daily use.

I expect this will make a lot of people very angry since I know many users of WordPad.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

LibreOffice is what those people need.

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[–] zerbey@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (33 children)

Only thing I used it for was when older versions of Notepad couldn't handle larger text files. Now it can. So, no loss to me. Notepad going away would suck, that does at least get occasional use although Notepad++ is far superior.

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[–] vashti@feddit.uk 44 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Slightly annoyed about this, as I do use Wordpad (it's lightweight and useful for quick notes that I want to mark up with bold and italic). I don't always want to watch Word or Libreoffice load for twenty to thirty seconds.

Shitty decision, happy to be Wordpad's one fan.

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[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago (22 children)

This place really hates MS. Can't believe some of the comments here.

[–] eee@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Yeah it's really strange. I'm not a fan of MS by any means, but I've found myself making so many pro-MS comments on Lemmy just because the userbase leans so heavily pro-Linux and anti-MS.

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lemmy and other Fediverse sites tend to attract folks who prefer FOSS. Early Reddit was that way too!

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

MS has a history which informs what their fututre actions are likely to be. If you can't believe the comments here perhaps you have not heard that history. If you have then consider that lemmy is free software and so you're more likely to find that way of thinking here.

My goto for distrust of MS https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

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[–] Smacks@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

They must not be able to spy on people thru it

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 39 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I get that people here hate MS, but defending Wordpad is a bonkers hill to die on.

It's complete wank.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's the free (as in beer) program that comes with windows to open doc and rtf files and put together fine enough documents. Dropping it is Microsoft telling users unwilling to pay for word without the technical knowhow to get LibreOffice or Abiword going to get fucked. Its anti consumer no matter which way you slice it.

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[–] Granixo@feddit.cl 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] OscarRobin@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (20 children)

I don't like Apple but they ship their devices with everything a basic user needs and if a high quality, completely for free. When you get a MacBook you don't need to worry about finding and downloading an external app for almost anything - from viewing any kind of file, to basic photo and video editing, to document processing, etc. And they don't track every minute thing you do and act like malware to try to make you use their products.

[–] mayonaise_met@feddit.nl 59 points 1 year ago (9 children)

It's definitely not for free. You can buy several Windows laptops and Office licenses for a single Mac laptop.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Honestly, this blows. WordPad fills a niche between a full blown text editor and notepad. Most of my random daily notes use WordPad still when not OneNote.

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[–] TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As long as they leave Notepad. I use it almost daily.

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[–] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So long as they don't fuck with Notepad, I could give a fuck. Notwithstanding Notepad++ is a thing, so the fuck to be given would be inordinately small.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

"Active development"? What the fuck do they think needed to be done with txt? More ads? They do realize that there are a lot of txt looker aters right? This is not even a fight, its a "well anyway" sort of thing.

[–] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Wordpad is for looking at and editing rich text, not txt files. It's not a big deal because no one uses rtf.

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Man fuck Microsoft. Killing a free app and replacing it with a paid app that has a subscription bundled.

What the actual fuck!!?

[–] PutangInaMo@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (8 children)

It's word pad though, do you really ever use it? I use notepad for a quick temp fix in a pinch, I haven't used word pad in like 15 years.

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[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I used WordPad so much growing up. I fucking HATED Word and the office applications as a kid, WordPad just worked and just did writing, which is what I wanted to do.

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[–] pepsison52895@lemmy.one 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I provide support for a Windows-only application that has to do automated document conversion. Some customers refuse to pay for an additional Office license and the only other option is WordPad. Going back to work on Tuesday is going to suck.

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[–] ichigo@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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