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yes, thats the entire meme.

if your going to tell me to use vlc, you have a point but think of the average user, they are paying for it unironically 😭. just what have we come to...

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[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 108 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Imagine what the world would be like without free software.

[–] euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 8 months ago (2 children)

i mean pirating would be a lot more relevant i guess, assuming the companys are just as big of dicks

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Pirating doesnt really exist without foss tho does it? All the tools, even just for dvd ripping could never exist the same way as closed source software.

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[–] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

have fun pirating stuff with your subscription based torrent client, that communicates home and whose operators know your payment information ;w;

[–] euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 8 months ago

dont give them ideas

[–] zarenki@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago

You joke, but it really exists: the company that acquired uTorrent 17 years ago now sells an ad-free version of their current torrent client as "BitTorrent Pro" for USD$20/year, or alternatively as part of a VPN service bundle for $70/year.

Needless to say, stick with FOSS clients like qBittorrent/Deluge/etc instead.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 87 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Lots of people shitting on Microsoft on this thread ignoring that it's not Microsoft who charge for a codec and that Microsoft promote a royalty-free HEVC competitor called AV1.

Guaranteed this video file is from an Apple device, where patent-encumbered HEVC is the default recording format.

[–] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

Google Pixel also record in HEVC. The problem with AV1 is that unlike HEVC it wasn't made to be easily encoded in hardware. Which is probably also the fault of patents, but still...

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah mostly just blame MPEG. They make great tech and then make sure to suck every drop of blood/money out of those who want to use it

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Seems like it kinda improved with H.266, but since it's still not completely royalty-free, fuck that codec lol

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Yeah I’m hoping the tech consortium that built AV1 continues to push through with new releases, though they’ll be fighting mpeg every step of the way on patents and shit

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[–] KrokanteBamischijf@feddit.nl 8 points 8 months ago

Transcoder here, if you're looking to leverage quality/file size benefits of your codec, you don't encode with hardware.

As a rule of fist hardware encoding is better served for streaming purposes where you need to crush a raw 1080p or 1440p stream into something that's actually a sensible bandwith as fast as possible, especially if you're streaming 60fps because your algorithm has a time limit of 16ms per frame.

If file size with preservation of quality is something you care about, you encode as slowly and thouroughly as you can, which is why x264 on your CPU will outperform encoders like NVENC any time.

When it comes to HEVC, software encoding is only really worth it if you have the time to spare, because x265 takes between 3x and 5x as long as encoding the same footage through x264, with a 15-20% smaller file size at best. It is also more intensive to decode, which is why you still see many files with a H.264 codec.

[–] OsaErisXero@kbin.run 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Wouldn't it be the chipset vendors who would implement AV1 (or any other codec) in hardware?

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Yes, AV1 is supported in 11th gen intel. They were also part of the consortium that pushed for it, along with Apple and Microsoft, among others. It’s almost a response to HEVC, and is far newer (2013 vs 2018). But yeah, tech companies were tired of paying for MPEG licensing so they tried to create an open format. Apple, like any business will try to milk their HEVC contracts because they were so expensive, but their chips are supporting it now too.

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-meteor-lake-has-av1-video-encoding-and-decoding-support

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1694598394

[–] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 months ago

Yes, and there are some implementations now, but it's more complicated than for HEVC and also less efficient (I think)

[–] verdare@beehaw.org 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

AV1 was designed with hardware decoding in mind. The reason it isn’t as widely supported on hardware is because it was released 5 years after HEVC. It takes a while for new codecs to get hardware support, and even longer for that support to become ubiquitous.

Also, AV1 has the uphill battle of not being able to use any of the patented technology in HEVC.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

HEVC is decently popular in pirate circles

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, because we don't have to pay for it.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago
[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 70 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] Zugyuk@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

its too annoying to set defaults on windows, literally have to do it per file format which isn't even sorted by any means, and the "open with" doesn't even work for me because the program just never opens. windows partition will go bye bye soon anyway

[–] doublenom@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

~~There is a new option allowing you to set an app default to all is compatible files type. So it's a one click problem https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/change-default-programs-in-windows-e5d82cad-17d1-c53b-3505-f10a32e1894d~~

Turns out it doesn't, my bad.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 7 points 8 months ago

Everyone observe the success of Microsoft here at swaying people.

I'm sorry that it's come to this

[–] xpinchx@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago
[–] SteveTech@programming.dev 27 points 8 months ago

Here's the free device manufacturer version: https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9n4wgh0z6vhq

[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What travesty of a video player is this?

[–] ashley@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 8 months ago

microshafts built in one :) luckily VLC allows playing hevc/mkv files out of the box lol

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 15 points 8 months ago

windows default

[–] AToM_exe@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

Install VLC.

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

there's "HEVC … from Device Manufacturer" available to download for free if you really need it afaik

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Only if your computer's manufacturer paid for it.

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 8 months ago

I was able to sideload it using the store app on my old laptop where I got the same pay to install popup. On my newer Framework I noticed that the device manufacturer version was auto-installed.

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[–] half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Now I need to see vid_899880425_035412_980

[–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 8 months ago

Pay to ~~win~~ play

[–] sverit@feddit.de 8 points 8 months ago

Blame the video creator for using a non free codec.

[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Turns out you can download that codec pack as a torrent.

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[–] Shouted@programming.dev 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

I’m convinced humanity doesn’t deserve software or computers in general. OP really be complaining about less than 6 quarters…

[–] euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

i use linux - all codecs are already preinstalled there on most distributions, and if not, they are available in the repos for free (like everything else in there). why cant it be included in a $150 os which is owned by a muli billion dollar company? they are just sucking more money out of clueless individuals.

[–] zarenki@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

Nonfree media codecs like HEVC/h265 are affected by US software patents. Distributing them from US servers without paying license fees to MPEG LA can put the host at risk of lawsuit. VLC, deb-multimedia (Debian), and RPM Fusion (Fedora) all avoid that by hosting in France, but even with those sources enabled patent issues can break things like hardware acceleration. Free codecs like AV1/VP9/Opus avoid all these problems.

Microsoft is US-based and can't avoid those per-install fees. They could cut the profit from every single Windows license but apparently chose not to.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

That is a strawman interpretation of OP's point. In addition to being wrong, the technique is destructive to discussion.

It is infinitely more constructive (as in, people are more likely to read and care about your opinion) to use "Steel Man": https://constantrenewal.com/steel-man

With that, or just with some base level charitable thinking, we could look at OP's point like this: https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/nickel+and+dime+you

So how many lootboxes should I put you down for, 300 or 400? They're only 99 cents each, so I'll just put you down for 1,000. After all, you wouldn't complain about less than 4 quarters, right?

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago

Install MPC-HC.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

I remember Windows days and installing K-Lite or CCCP

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