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    [–] Gork@lemm.ee 52 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Perhaps X.org should sue Elon Musk over the whole X thing. Then when they win the lawsuit, use the money to build an even better X.org that rivals Wayland.

    [–] null@slrpnk.net 96 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    They're already building that. It's called Wayland.

    [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)
    [–] Zozano@lemy.lol 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

    X companies are are natural enemies

    Like X(org) and X(twitter)

    Or X(org)and x(nxx)

    Or X(org) and x(wayland)

    Damn X, they've ruined X!

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    [–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 3 points 7 months ago

    Nah, they do the same errors of Xorg in reverse.

    [–] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 55 points 7 months ago (1 children)

    You know who is developing Wayland, right?

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    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 50 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Wayland is maintained by the same people who made X.org. If you like X.org maybe you could volunteer your time to do maintenance on it. No one wants to touch a dead codebase.

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    wayland is great, unfortunately: nvidia

    [–] mlg@lemmy.world 40 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Imagine using a so called modern windowing system that doesn't even support custom degree tilted monitors

    Who need fractional scaling when you can make a space useless tilted monitor setup lol

    [–] SteveTech@programming.dev 11 points 7 months ago

    I can't find the documentation for it, but I swear Hyprland supports custom degree tilting.

    [–] Shareni@programming.dev 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

    Imagine using a so called modern protocol that leaves you unable to change a WM in a DE

    Who needs xorg bloat when you can make compositor devs reimplement it instead and bloat their own codebase lol

    [–] xuniL@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    There isn't such thing as a WM under Wayland. There are only compositors which make up everything such as the WM, Effects compositor, io etc. To standardize things for smaller compositors things like wlroots exist. Creating a basic compositor using that is around 100 lines of code

    [–] Shareni@programming.dev 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

    Yeah, and that was my point: Wayland turns DEs into inflexible monoliths. You trade modularity, customisability, and stability for better scaling, high-end monitor support, and theoretical security.

    [–] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    The theoretical security part is what got me "huh 🤨" as well... like "ok, but all of this is planned... or in the works... or it should work... when does the "it does work" part kick in 🤨".

    [–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 3 points 7 months ago

    There are only compositors which make up everything such as the WM, Effects compositor, io etc.

    That's the thing i don't like about Wayland.

    [–] d_k_bo@feddit.de 4 points 7 months ago

    Considering that there are infinitely scrolling compositors and non-rectangular compositors, I guess tilting a monitor should be a smaller problem.

    [–] Godort@lemm.ee 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)

    I'll switch to Wayland once it becomes the default in the distro I happen to be using that month. Not before.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 15 points 7 months ago

    Ubuntu and Fedora both use it. Its just a matter of time.

    [–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    As someone who was completely ignorant to x and wayland until recently, my only experience is my distro having a wayland and x combobox during login, and random things not working when I switch it to wayland. The only reason I know this option even exists is because wayland was on by default and random stuff didn't work. I'll happily switch to the new better tech once it stops breaking stuff like KDE Connect and random games.

    [–] d_k_bo@feddit.de 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I'm using GSConnect (a compatible reimplementation of KDE Connect for GNOME) on GNOME/Wayland and it works just fine

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    [–] amorpheus@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

    I use an app on my phone that lets me use it as a touchscreen and keyboard for my Linux media PC. I have no idea if it will ever (be able to) support Wayland.

    [–] Nonononoki@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

    KDE Connect works on Wayland and can do all of that. Should definitely be technically possible.

    [–] hexabs@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago

    Jesys. Way to butcher a meme template.

    [–] cirkuitbreaker@sh.itjust.works 18 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Switched to Wayland recently. Went to go play MechWarrior 5 with some friends and my mouse didn't work properly in the game. Switched back to Xorg. No more problems.

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    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Wayland is one of those things you use once and then always use. (Assuming your not on Nvidia)

    [–] Shareni@programming.dev 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

    Assuming:

    • everything works (just check out this thread)
    • there is Wayland alternative for every xorg tool you need, and they haven't been abandoned after a month
    • your setup isn't impossible due to DEs becoming a monolithic mess
    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    X programs work fine under Xwayland for the most part

    [–] Shareni@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago

    I was talking about xorg specific tooling. For example sxhkd doesn't work in wayland. Swhkd is the wayland alternative that should work in both, but the last release was 2 years ago, is only available through AUR, and when I compiled it, it didn't work with either Wayland or xorg.

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    [–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    No good remote desktop's yet :(

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    [–] TheDarkBanana87@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Switch from gentoo to fedora recently and use wayland as the default with nvidia

    Everythings works fine until i fire up some games. All the games have this weird screen flickering and screen tearing which render a black box and literally unplayable. Tried rebooting, upgrading, downgrading and no avail.

    Then i tried to use Xorg and everythings fine.

    Ita frustating tho

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 13 points 7 months ago

    Nvidia doesn't work well with anything

    [–] NoisyFlake@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    This has been an issue since NVIDIA introduced alternating frames in the 545 driver. To fix this, explicit sync was recently merged into the Wayland protocol, now all it needs is the merge into Xwayland and the new NVIDIA driver that supports it, which is rumored to be released as a beta around May 15.

    Until then, you either have to game on Xorg or use the 535 driver.

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    [–] rakeshmondal@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

    If you're on KDE Plasma 6, there's an option to enable screen tearing in fullscreen applications, turning that on seems to have fixed a similar problem I had.

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    [–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

    Most of the issues people have mentioned with either only seem to exist on specific distros or only for a small number of people with weird configurations.

    Also everyone says Nvidia and Wayland is bad but Nvidia on x was garbage last time I had an Nvidia card too. Among other issues, the GPU control panel was such a hot steaming point of sale and wouldn't save configs.

    [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago

    I love Wayland but I don’t love half my apps rendering as blurry when using my HiDPI screen. Wayland treating me good so far. I wanted to ride the poo poo on xorg train cause of Wayland’s snappiness and being modern but functionality is everything.

    [–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 7 months ago

    meanwhile me: wayland goes brrrr cause of ootb touchpad gestures on GNOME

    [–] h3ndrik@feddit.de 9 points 7 months ago

    Going brrr since 1984?

    [–] dion_starfire@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I have a small script to toggle the visibility of a window when I press a hotkey. Press once, it launches the app if it's not running, or unhides and raises the window if it is. Press again, it hides the window.

    My distro recently switched KDE to Plasma 6 on Wayland, and of course the script stopped working. Researched how to make a Wayland equivalent. You can't. It's literally impossible to hide (or even minimize) windows from the command line.

    [–] kogasa@programming.dev 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    The compositor will have to implement a CLI. Sway has an IPC socket and CLI just like i3 and I can use this to hide windows.

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    [–] Presi300@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Xorg go Brr rrr rrr

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