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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 68 points 8 months ago

Yes, it's almost like not kowtowing to fascists is a good strategy.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 64 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Oh look its just like we told all the apologists it would be.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Leftist have been spitting facts since 1848, the world just hasn’t bothered to listen. 👂

[–] juicy 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Yes, Biden could have stopped this genocide any time. But he didn't care until he saw that it was costing him votes. I guess the Russian trolls were onto something.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

Butthurt blue MAGA downvote brigade has arrived. You’re 100% correct though.

The shitty part is that 86% of Congress wants to continue with the genocide. It’s incredible how little morality exists in DC when money is flowing into their coffers. Biden is doing what he must to play politics here, which is to say barely anything at all after almost half a year of Arabs being slaughtered. But we have a long ways to go before the US changes course in earnest to actually thwart the genocide, if it happens at all before November.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Don't know why you're getting downvoted for being correct.

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 0 points 8 months ago

people don't like uncomfortable truths

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hey, I'm Canadian! And I'm not really a troll, more of a hater.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago (2 children)

”Netanyahu,” he continued, “has been dealing with America the way a spoiled teenager deals with his parents: with perpetual rebellion, perpetual insults and perpetual scandals.”

While not inaccurate, I’d resent this association if I was still a teenager.

[–] SrTobi@feddit.de 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think this is a little unfair to spoiled teenagers. They have never committed genocide.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I am no history buff, but it's highly likely some spoiled teenager committed a genocide in history.

[–] grimsolem@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 8 months ago

Alexander wasn't all that great..

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why would the US still think of Israel as its ally?

Calling Israel a "spoiled child" sounds delusional at this point.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Mainly I’d say because of Iran. Bibi hated the nuclear deal because he needs Iran as a wedge to keep the US behind them.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Media is really going to try and spin abstaining from a nonbinding resolution as some courageous stand against Israel...

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 69 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's a very gentle warning that patience is not limitless and that all the US has to do to ruin Israel's day is nothing. Don't veto. Don't approve funding increase. Don't expedite a shipment. These are all perks that Netenyahu has taken for granted.

Also, even this gentlest of warnings is still unprecedented. Normally the US gives Israel whatever they want, no questions asked.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, but that's the problem.

And this isn't good enough to make up for all the bullshit, especially banning UNRWA aid for something we know was Israeli propaganda.

Is this better than a veto?

Absolutely.

But it can also be nowhere near close enough to what we should be doing.

I'm not going to pretend this is something to celebrate, especially since it's likey the only reason there was no veto. Was the sustained complaints from voters.

Maybe, just maybe, if enough people keep complaining, Biden will temporarily pause funding the genocide until the day after election day. I don't think we'll get more than that, but I think there's a chance for more than a single abstain vote

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Maybe, just maybe, if enough people keep complaining...

This right there is my point. This abstention is unprecedented and has only come about because of the pressure American citizens are putting on the administration.

When this genocidal campaign started, the administration's tone was all in with Israel because that's what it has always been. They didn't even bother to read the room. Then it turned out that a significant number of Americans, including three generations worth of voting age citizens, were not overwhelming in favor of genocide. Go figure. Now the administration is back tracking and taking a different tone. That is all because of those who raised their voice. Keep up the pressure.

EDIT: To be clear, I am not saying that we shouldn't aim high. We absolutely should, but we should also acknowledge our victories.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It's not non binding. Security council resolutions are binding.

America just lied and said it's non binding right after the resolution passed to cover for israel anyways. But it's not true.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

So, it was a binding resolution for immediate ceasefire...

There's no ceasefire...

So how is it binding? Where's the enforcement?

Has any country even stopped aid to Israel because they're continuing their genocide?

Israel is still flagrantly breaking international law, which is more "binding" than any UN resolution

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Israel has violated like 140 UN resolutions. Enforcement votes get blocked by the US.

As long as Genocide Joe keeps sending them more bombs they will continue.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

The UN is a diplomatic platform, that occasionally goes kinetic with peacekeeping or aid missions. The majority of the UN is bureaucrats of various levels, talking to other bureaucrats of various levels, to work together.

The UN is also the world police, but much more like a bounty hunter than a SWAT team. Any enforcement actions taken, are VERY targeted, have very well defined limits and rules, and basically requires a sponsor nation(s) to actually go Do The Thing. Which also requires the UN to agree to all those limits, rules, etc and to agree that enforcement is required.

Very often the UN gets bogged down by geopolitical influence issues, like with Syria in the 2010s. The no-fly zone that kept Gadaffi’s Air Force from stopping the uprising, wasn’t a UN action.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wait the ceasefire wasn't honored? Serious question.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Not yet, and it was only supposed to last till 4/9...

So there's not a lot of time for it to go into effect, which was the whole point of "immediate".

That's what I mean. People want to make this seem like a huge deal, but even if it happens eventually, it won't last long.

Holy shit. Bibi may have actually fatally overplayed his hand. This is incredible.

Fucking tragic that it took a genocide to do it, though.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It'swhat they get for "Biten" the hand that's been feeding them for months...

[–] massacre@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The better part of a century.