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[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 154 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They don't even "lose money" in either scenario. They just don't make new money.

[–] Lunyan@kbin.social 76 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Businesses consider those the same thing unfortunately :/

[–] CellarRat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 22 points 1 year ago

I'd argue they consider not making new money worse, losing money means tax write offs.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

The argument is the suppression of titles is to control the brand. Its indirect nonsense.

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[–] Robin@lemmy.world 97 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nintendo: "How about you don't play those old games and buy our new games instead."

[–] Hovenko@iusearchlinux.fyi 41 points 1 year ago

I was told by my parents not to play with shit.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

🎵🎶How'bout I do anyway ?🎶🎵

[–] Scrib@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn, what do we do now when we see an UnexpectedBillWurtz? Joking aside, I almost typed an r/ on reflex. It's weird how hard it is to break some habits.

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[–] fing3r@feddit.de 76 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They don’t even lose money, they just don’t earn any.

[–] TeoTwawki@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yup. And it wasn't money they would have gotten anyway so big N gets mad about nothing.

[–] RobertOwnageJunior@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (7 children)
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[–] Nioxic@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

they dont really "lose" money regardless

they just dont gain money, which they could have gained... if emulation wasn't super fucking easy and also fuck nintendo

[–] Lunyan@kbin.social 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

This is why pirating games that aren't available to be bought anymore is never wrong

[–] Jimbo@yiffit.net 17 points 1 year ago

Yeah, say I want an old need for speed game, either buy a disk for a high price that I can't put in my disk drive-less PC or pirate it...

Hmm I wonder which one I will choose

[–] mounderfod@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

big imo: pirating AAA games at all is never wrong

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[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nintendo is run by old Japanese men who don't understand technology. They still use faxes ffs when conducting business-critical decisions.

[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You. Sound like a nice and smart person. Can you send me your 78 character friend code so I can enter it with a controller to add you?

[–] dditty@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Omg lmao yes this feature is so clunky and antiquated

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[–] pozbo@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm sooo tired of hearing about bad companies being shitty to their consumers and then watching thousands post about how wholesome and sweet Nintendo is and sharing their new animal crossing themed butthole tattoo to honor them.

Stop paying these pricks and just pirate their stuff.

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[–] HairHeel@programming.dev 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re supposed to wait until they re-release it on a new console with the same graphics for $70, then pay for it then, dummy.

[–] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

Todd Howard, is that you?

[–] Rawsark@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For a company who brags about not going to have issue even if they're not making even a penny for years to come, they sure trying their best to get every penny they can.

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[–] Ilflish@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Big Ninten doesn't want you to play Paper Mario TTYD. You should be playing Origami King, it's new and exciting while TTYD is old and obsolete. They are both Paper Mario, they are basically the same game anyway but only until we want to suggest it's a brand new upgrade to the previous game

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[–] TeoTwawki@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Doesn't lose them money, the used game woudn't make them anyway which is whu they lobbied to try and make reselling used games require a royalty or be illegal for years before everything became digital.

As for emulation they lie and call emulation itself illegal (the copies may be but emulation itself is not) because then they can't pull a disney and "vault" old games on their digital storefronts and make you buy it again when they decide to just up shut down the previous server when they launch the next console.

They don't want us to own the things we pay for. They want us to rent them while not realizing it.

[–] ki77erb@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

They don’t want us to own the things we pay for.

The real answer right there.

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[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pirating games is kinda a pain in the ass these days and I don't even bother on PC

But I will pirate as much from Nintendo as possible. From their price fixing in the 80s and 90s to hostility towards people who want to buy games to people not even being able to get games they've paid for...

Fuck Nintendo

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They could easily set up a permanent library of ALL previous titles for sale along with emulators for each new console they release. Nintendo could re-sell you every game they have ever made every time they drop new hardware, but nope, just a big fuck you.

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[–] Roundcat@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm almost convinced Nintendo wants to erase the legacy of PM:TYD. Like it's definitely the game that took the most chances with the Mario universe, and in the Japanese version especially, it pushed the limits of what was acceptable in media at the time, and would probably be a difficult game to navigate rereleasing in today's climate. Probably the same reasons we likely won't see an official Mother 3 localization either.

[–] Tetra@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can you educate me on what the differences were with the Japanese version that made it push the limits?

[–] testfactor@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're probably referring to Vivian being trans.

In the American release, the other two ghost sisters just call her ugly a lot. In the OG Japanese, it was more explicit that they were actually misgendering her, iirc.

[–] Roundcat@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Bingo. The issue Nintendo faces is they're going to anger someone depending on how they handle it. Like they faced backlash when they hinted that Shiver from Splatoon 3 might be nonbinary, and later clarified that she wasn't. Same when they advertised that you selected your character's appearance rather than gender in Pokemon Legends, Scarlett in Violet (despite the fact the characters are still referred to as men/women in game).

What complicates PMTYD and Mother 3 even more so is even though they include gender nonconforming characters, the way they are depicted in game aren't exactly flattering by today's standards. No matter how they decide to go about rereleasing these games they're going to anger someone.

If nintendo keeps the PMTYD localization as is, or change Mother 3, it's going to cause backlash because nintendo is more or less removing trans and gnc characters out of a game that originally had them. Likewise, if they decide to changePMTYD to include Vivi's original trans plot, or release Mother 3 unchanged, They will facebacklash from people who take offense to LGBTQ people being in any form of media, especially in family entertainment which is Nintendo's bread and butter. Even that aside, they might face backlash for how these characters are depicted and handled, because these were early 2000s games made by Japanese developers who used unflattering Japanese stereotypes for queer characters. Then you would have people who would want no changes to the localization because they just want to play the PMTYD from their childhood, and they would also be dragged into this complicated and heated debate.

Either way, Nintendo would be walking into a minefield no matter how they decide to release these games, and have probably elected to simply keep them vaulted. Maybe there will come a time where they will be able to rerelease/localize them with little controversy, but as things are right now, it's a little dicey, especially for games they don't even know will be profitable.

[–] Jimbo@yiffit.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think it's okay for people that take offense at LGBT in media to be mad, oh no, some bigots got angy? How about we ignore them like we should

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember the Disney Vault?

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[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When Nintendo started Virtual Console, I was really impressed, because instead of fighting emulation, they embraced it and made money off of it. All of these old games were just potential profit that they were sitting on. On top of that, they even managed to get games from non-Nintendo consoles onto VC!

Then, they discontinued it, and I'm sitting here, scratching my head and trying to figure out why. Nintendo is a strange company. They have an undeniably awesome product and very talented and creative developers, but also pretty bone-headed management.

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[–] JohnBoBon@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly most people who use emulation probably own a copy of the games they emulate. It actually is possible to legally obtain a ROM or iso of a Nintendo game, despite how bad Nintendo wants you to believe it isn't. You are allowed to back up software that you purchased. Do most people do it the legal way? Probably not. But effectively I think it's all the same.

Wanna make money off your old games? Release an upgraded version. Put in the content that was left on the cutting room floor and up the resolution. Or just sell it as an emulator pack with the bare minimum requirements for it to function on the console like they did with 3D all Stars. People will probably still buy it.

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[–] Rhabuko@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Copyright in Japan seems to be even more of a nightmare as it already is in the west.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For context, Japan has no fair use clause.

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[–] superminerJG@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

More companies should do like id Software and open-source their games after a set amount of time.

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[–] CIWS-30@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

The real pain is that several sources seem to say that the Thousand Year Door is arguably the best Paper Mario. I missed out on it when it came out, so the only choice I have if I want to play it is to Monkey D. Luffy it. Which to be honest, I'll probably do.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

you lose money regardless

Except Nintendo does not lose any money either way.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

Nintendo is the Disney of video games.

They want to take their content and squirrel it away in their vault, so for like 10 minutes you can buy the emulated recreation of some obscure title on some future platform where it's digitally tied to the device and the online Nintendo store you bought it from, so when the console inevitably breaks or the store is shut down, you lose access.

All of this for a premium cost for a decades old game of dubious quality that only has value because of your nostalgia.

So stop emulating games so Nintendo can decide when they will gift you with the privilege of paying far too much for a game they didn't make, which has a life expectancy, which will expire when they want it to.

Also piracy is bad! So stop it.

[–] beanz00_@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

you gotta wait until they release the exact same emulator on the switch with the new switch online expansion pack plus premium ultra 3D bonus pass

[–] notExactlyI20@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I literally had to look for a patched Chrono Trigger Rom with Spanish translations bcuz nor Square Enix, nor Nintendo ever released it with spanish dialogues in mind. Now my little sister is able to enjoy it, and it is always thanks to the community that Nintendo despise. So as always fuck Nintendo as a corporate and most important:

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean lots of media has always worked that way. Build up the nostalgia to increase what people are willing to pay. Before VHS, Disney would lock up their movies and bring them out to theaters every couple of decades making way more money than if they put it on TV. It drives demand. And they think it should be their decision whether to satisfy that demand or not.

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[–] banana_tree@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pirating as an alternative to paying as often as one can, even when the product is on offer by Nintendo or whoever, is usually very easy. It's the least we can all do in terms of class struggle.

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