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I’m not even American, so it doesn’t affect me directly, but I am scared to death of a Trump presidency.

I am one of those people here who think that Biden is a far more competent executor of imperialist policies compared to Trump, but what I am even more afraid of is the early death of nascent left wing movements in America.

I am reminded of how the KPD getting its leaders murdered by Freikorps thugs during the Spartacist uprising (mind you, a much stronger party than any leftist movement in America today), and how its continued suppression paved the way to Nazi Germany.

Project 2025 will effectively embolden fascist thugs in America to do the same to the left wing movements, many of which are still in their cradle, and the death of leftist movements in their infancies will inevitably pave the way to a fascist America and undo many of the progress that had been made over decades.

The world cannot afford a fascist America. Imagine Hitler with nukes. The world will have to pay a much, much larger price as a result.

On this reasoning alone, I believe that Trump needs to be stopped at all cost. But many here have disagreed with me, and I need you to persuade me why I shouldn’t be afraid of Project 2025 at all. Even if the chance of that happening is 10%, I’m still not ready to gamble with it.

(I’m not saying we have to support Biden, I believe it is somewhat inevitable, I’m saying that we have to buy ourselves as much time as possible, even if it means strategic voting, to build a resilient leftist movement while delaying the inevitable for as long as we can.)

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[–] Blottergrass@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If it means so much to you, hold yourself to your own standards and go knock on doors and make phone calls. There's no scenario where there's a super serious threat and your role in defeating it is just hanging out online.

[–] casskaydee@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

OP did mention not being American

[–] jaywalker@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago

Literally the first sentence too lol

[–] goog@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

America is already fascist.

[–] FiniteBanjo 1 points 9 months ago

I approve of you asking questions and reaching out to them to try to rationalize it and hear both sides of an argument, truly admirable, but I also don't expect much in terms of good faith discussion on the topic.

Hexbear users come in a variety of flavors but the most common ones are: no consensus (they're not sure how they got there), emotionally distraught / easily manipulated, or lastly actual propagandists for China and Russia who want nothing less than to destroy the US Federal Government and will actively encourage the options that do the most harm.

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