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CW: Discussion of chattel slavery, implied SA aspects.

(This is more of a random, sleepy rant and not any sort of proofread analysis or deep-dive into the game. Spoilers in my rant are kept vague, save for this one short quest. Here is a link to the quest on the UESP wiki, with very heavy spoilers.)

Morrowind is incredible and I could talk for days about it. Probably many on Hexbear could. If I had more time, I'd write an entire essay on the way it uses religion, culture, and materialism to make a narrative that is way more interesting than just about every other Western Role-Playing game. However, every time I replay it, there's always a quest that very much creeps me out and ruins my enjoyment for a bit.

See, Morrowind's game world, the district of Vvardenfell, allows slavery.

In my opinion, it's very much treated appropriately by the game: as a cultural discussion, and a narrative twist on the objective of the imperialist Empire, which outlaws slavery as a means of keeping order in the diverse continent of Tamriel. For the most part, being pro-slavery is treated as backwards, disgusting, and is mostly used by the rich landowning class for exploitation. In fact, the game's villain intentionally uses class conflict to gather supporters among the enslaved and lower-classes in order to fight the ruling Temple religion.

Now, I would obviously prefer that the game went way more john-brown with it and let me exterminate slavers to the last with gleeful cheers from the proletariat. But at the very least, the game only ever rewards you for freeing slaves.

...Except in one key instance.

During the main plot, you are tasked with gathering the support of the local Ashlander tribes. The tribes have a unique and interesting culture, and the player is forced to learn their customs in order to progress. The leader of one of these tribes, the Zainab, tasks you with finding him a bride from the local mage faction (the stuck-up rich wizards). However, the way you go about accomplishing this mission is my single most hated section in the game.

So, your character is given the plan of... purchasing a slave to fool the tribal chief.

You have no other options of completing the quest. The player is forced to pay money to a greedy slave-trader, whose dialogue is smugly gleeful about "enjoying your purchases" and "putting the slaves to work". (Not even gonna get into the abhorrent SA implications behind plenty of the lines, which were clearly intentional).

So once you pay, you are instructed to dress the living person that you now own as property in a nice, pretty outfit for delivery to the tribal leader. The lines here just get worse and worse:

"Yes, sera. Falura Llervu... pleased to make your acquaintance. See? Savile Imayn [the Slave-trader] has taught me well." -Ewwww.

"I am a little anxious about marrying an Ashlander, even an Ashlander chief, but anything is better than being a slave" -implying that purchasing this woman to sell her to a random man from a foreign culture is somehow a favor to her.

"I'm sure she said you had some presents for me." -I hate the way the game dresses up giving her clothes so that she may be a better "bride" as "presents for her".

And then: "Oh, sera! These clothes! They are divine! Such a perfume! Only the very rich can afford this! I shall do everything I can to please you and my new master... that is, my gracious lord and husband-to-be. Come! I am so excited, I cannot wait!"

Yeah, so there are ten trillion ways of describing how disgusted this quest and the dialogue involved makes me. There is no legitimate way of skipping this quest (there are ways of skipping this entire part of the game, but they are alternate routes and are more of an obscure Easter-egg). Like, the quest itself sucks complete ass gameplay-wise. It's not fun. This tribe is framed as the "trickster tribe" that you must "outsmart", but this plan is just dull and uninteresting on top of the actual problems with it. You are given no freedom and no options.

Like, the game has an abolitionist faction! You can pretty easily play out your wildest John Brown fantasies and free the enslaved people of Vvardenfell in just about every other spot. Slaver factions can be freely ignored or destroyed, there's no requirement to join them. All except this one quest. Which is a Main Quest!!!

In the end, it's very hard for me to reconcile being "the savior of the land" and all that fantasy prophecy nonsense while being forced to engage in literal chattel slavery. There's no Main Quest that forces you to free slaves, so why is there one to purchase them and sell them into some kind of sexual servitude? Fuck whoever wrote this quest and fuck Bethesda for not scrapping it. Death to Gamers, death to the idea of "role-playing" this shit, and death to all the white Maryland programmer suburbanites that created it.

TLDR: JB-shining-aggro JB-shining-aggro JB-shining-aggro

Edit: Before I forget, it's worth mentioning that there's other instances of creepy shit, misogyny, harassment, and all that in the game. It's a game made by white male nerds in 2000, after all. But this is the most blatant example I can think of. I also found this mod that removes all this stuff, thankfully. I will certainly be downloading it next time.

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[–] solitaire@infosec.pub 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Fuck whoever wrote this quest and fuck Bethesda for not scrapping it. Death to Gamers, death to the idea of “role-playing” this shit, and death to all the white Maryland programmer suburbanites that created it.

Maybe a terrible take, but I prefer this to whatever Bethesda writes these days. Disgust is still at least emotional reaction, rather than pure corporate blandness designed only to entrap the player in the machine zone.

[–] worlds_okayest_mech_pilot@hexbear.net 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I agree with the sentiment (despite my quoted comment lol) that emotional reactions don't always need to be comfortable in games, just consensual on the player's part. Especially when portraying evil actions in an RPG.

My issue here is that there are zero real options to complete this quest other than engaging in chattel slavery. Hell, even killing the slaver and the ashkhan afterward still gives you a message that you shouldn't have killed them, which breaks the immersion and the satisfaction. Like, the game complains even if you do the quest and kill them later, which feels to me like the writers/programmers didn't even think that players would want some kind of justice or anything. Devoid of the context, it just seems incomplete or rushed.

[–] solitaire@infosec.pub 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, this was kind of a case of me having a thought for too long and just blindly dumping it the first time I saw something even semi-related.

But yeah, the quest sucks from both a moral and design stand point. Though truthfully I think this of a lot of Morrowind's quests, so many just seem rushed or like they were meant to be expanded but never were.

[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

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[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago

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[–] solitaire@infosec.pub 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I would post in them more frequently but they're kind of a pain to track not having my account on your instance as you move them to different subs all the time.

And I don't want to create an account there because I like not being defedded from so many places and would get tired of 15 year olds screaming at me for being a tankie everywhere else when I just want to talk about Star Trek

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

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[–] Sons_of_Ferrix@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Nerevar, I just visited the Zainab Ashlander tribe, I needed to get some ash rice from them to a recipe I'm working on. But that is besides the point. Did you trick their chief into thinking he married a Telvanni noblewoman? The fuck Nerevar? I also learned that she was a slave girl you bought in Tel Aruhn, that is beyond messed up Nerevar. I understand in our quest to drive the mongrel dogs of the Empire from Morrowind we have to engage in some morally dubious actions, but you could have at least attempted a different approach than slave trafficking. Like there isn't a single fucking non-slave Dunmar woman in Morrowind you could talk into marrying an Ashlander chief? With a decent enough illusion spell you could have pulled this off. Honestly Nerevar why in Azura's name did you even need the Ashlanders to sign off on your Nerevarine nature, it is obvious to me you are the Moon-and-Star I knew 3000 years ago. I would think as an Argonian now you would understand the immorality of the slave trade.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago

I don't think using an Illusion spell for this would be much more moral?? Dagoth Ur moment ig

[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

Somebody should feed this into the dagoth ai voice, it would slap.

[–] Gorb@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago

Yeah that part does really suck I remember really not wanting to do it at the time and kinda wandered around the world for a bit instead. It would have been so much better if there was an option to get one of the actual stuck up mages to go like via a hypnotism spell or something. Thet could easily have written in an alternative they just chose not to.

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago

BTW, there's a high-quality mod that fleshes out the Twin Lamps Faction and allows you to join it officially.

Brother Juniper's Twin Lamps mod.

It's clearly liberal, but it's aware of class and organized action against slavers is something that a character who goes around random caves, kills the slavers inside and frees the slaves would quite possibly find appealing.

Elder Scrolls mods can be a fantastic thing when not absurdly horny (though that's more of a Skyrim problem)

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago

There's a mod that has a permanent spot on my load order:

Sexual Harassment Remover

"Telvanni Bride: Provides two alternative paths to completing the Zainab Nerevarine questline that do not require you to bring an enslaved woman to marry the Ashkhan. May also be helpful to abolitionist Nerevarines."

when you install the mod you can pick and choose what you want it to change for you, but yeah obviously there's a bunch of VERY 90s G*mer sensibilities hidden in the game.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

As soon as I saw the first line I knew this was about Telvanni Bride. Sooooooo fucking scuffed.

implying that purchasing this woman to sell her to a random man from a foreign culture is somehow a favor to her.

Seen morrowind fans use this to defend the quest before lmao.