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I'm not gonna lie, sometimes it feels a bit lonely. I try to post on a few generic communities

Sometimes I can be the only poster for a few weeks. Makes me requestion the relevance of posting at all. I started posting to !pics@lemmy.world recently just because at least my posts are widely seen, and other people post there as well.

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[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't like "big" instances, since they tend to quickly walk back on their promised goals once they no longer can manage their size. So when I joined Lemmy it was on a smaller now defunct vlemmy.net instance. The idea of operating and moderating the community was not that appealing, but it was a way to promote the instance, so I started !globalnews@vlemmy.net and !databreaches@vlemmy.net. It was a slow start, but they grew over time, reaching 1000/400 subscribers respectively and then the admin killed the instance and vanished. That was a lesson.

After that, I joined lemmy.zip, it was tiny then, but it had a lot of things going for it, multiple admins, multiple communication channels, transparent finances and good base rules. What it lacked was content. So I had to decide if it was worth my time to start over by creating another community and help it grow. I re-started !globalnews@lemmy.zip and !databreaches@lemmy.zip and just started posting without any expectations. It was an outlet to share what I found interesting or what caught my eye. Eventually, people started commenting, and organic discussions started happening. I expanded the number of communities I moderate now, but the principles are the same. No expectations.

So the reason for all this backstory is that I stay motived by believing in the project and wanting to help good instances to grow. If not for Lemmy I wouldn't be posting anywhere else, never moderated on Reddit, never even posted on Reddit, was a habitual lurker there.

Just find topics you are interested in, maybe set up an RSS client and share the content that you find interesting yourself.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 months ago

Thanks for sharing your experience. I see your posts every day, impressive

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 15 points 6 months ago

It's never bothered me - I talk to myself a lot anyway.

[–] UKFilmNerd@feddit.uk 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's a little disconcerting when I post stuff and people (I assume) down vote it because they can't be bothered to read past the headline.

I posted a video to an almost dead Tron community with Joseph Kosinski talking about Tron Legacy being released in 4K.

But, again, I assume, because the video thumbnail and description was all about Top Gun Maverick...⬇️👇⬇️👇⬇️

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I chose my current instance because they disable downvotes for this reason. At least it's one less vector of negativity

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[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm kind of giving up. When I came over during the Reddit APIpocolypse, I tried to post as much as I could. My posts here don't get much engagement, and only seem to reach a small audience, so it doesn't feel like it's worth the effort.

I still try to post and comment, but it feels like a slog sometimes.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Completely get what you feel. I had a look at your last posts, at least the good a few comments, that's something.

Sometimes it's even worse, you post then all you get back is negativity. I just posted on !mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world, there are some comments which I just reported

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

I had a look at your last posts, at least the good a few comments, that's something.

Yeah. When I post about politics, I often get some responses. They tend to be pretty same-y, but it's better than nothing.

I'm sorry you're getting unnecessarily hostile comments on your posts. That's disheartening.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 months ago

Don't ever think it's up to you or any individual to carry the success of Lemmy or individual communities. Post what you think is worth sharing and don't force yourself if you don't feel like it. If Lemmy is to be more popular it will be on the backs of many people collectively.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

I haven't been posting / commenting as much recently because I've been busy with life stuff, but I do like seeing the posts (ex. I enjoy seeing the Lego posts). It would be nice to have more comments, but otherwise I usually upvote or save the post

One thing I've noticed is that even on Reddit, there are more posts with lots of upvotes and no comments. I'm not sure why that is

I'm planning to get posting again, but what I've found is that a lot of posts in the niche communities didn't go anywhere. Then every now and then a post takes off and a lot of people see it.

Best is when other people start posting too (ex. !publichealth@mander.xyz ). I guess it takes time for an active contributor with similar interests to find the community, since others might not encounter enough content outside of Lemmy to post them

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Best is when other people start posting too (ex. !publichealth@mander.xyz ). I guess it takes time for an active contributor with similar interests to find the community, since others might not encounter enough content outside of Lemmy to post them

Definitely. I'm kind of waiting to find another poster on most of my communities, feels almost like searching for a soulmate ha ha

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

I’m kind of waiting to find another poster on most of my communities, feels almost like searching for a soulmate ha ha

Yeah, even one other poster is definitely motivating. Shout-out to @llamacoffee@lemmy.world for their posts in !spacex@sh.itjust.works and !spaceflight@sh.itjust.works!

[–] llamacoffee@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bro! The feeling is mutual!

Just trying to keep adding interesting content to the community, in the hopes that other reddit migrators find a place full of good stuff and discover what a breath of fresh air we have here.

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[–] Microw@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A lot of people simply are lurkers. I know so many people irl who browse sites like reddit, 9gag, news sites or whatever all the time, and never in their life would consider to post comments.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago

Oh, definitely. The 90 lurkers - 9 commenters - 1 poster ratio seems to apply on Lemmy too. It might even be less, because it would mean that out of 50k people, there would be 500 posters?

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[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I do this for a few sublemmys like !nasa@lemmy.world and !esa@feddit.nl. I view it as keeping communities on "life support" until Lemmy grows a bit more.

One of the best practices I can think of is to cross-post a post with text in the body (important) from a small sublemmy to a large sublemmy. This creates a link to the original post on the smaller community, and gives it some visibility.

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[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 8 points 6 months ago

I shout into it more and hope that one day the void will answer back. It works occasionally. For example, I moderate a T-Mobile US community and started it off at zero and it's got over 200 subscribers now. Most posts still don't get comments, but there are some that do, and sometimes conversation even occurs or is beginning to anyway.

[–] ThisIsNotHim@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Part of the problem may be lack of tagging and filtering tools.

For example:

I'm not interested in memes so if a community is largely filled with them, my only way to avoid them may be to block the community. This includes communities that I might otherwise subscribe to, or want to engage with.

This is also tied into community fragmentation, community discoverability, and feeling the need to browse All to see anything. I don't know how widespread my issue is, but I have seen others mentioning having extensive block lists of communities.

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[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Sometimes I question the fact that some communities might be too niche, but even on something as generic as !movies@lemm.ee there aren't that many people wanting to talk about movies

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I feel like Lemmites generally have a handful of interests: US politics, Linux, and Star Trek. I guess the war in Gaza gets a lot of comments too. But outside of that range, it gets pretty quiet.

Going back to Reddit every now and then, it's nice to see conversations on other topics.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it's kind of strange. I have been trying to correct that with recents posts in !pics@lemmy.world and !interestingasfuck@lemm.ee.

We are 50k people here, don't tell me there is no one that likes other stuff that the one you listed.

[–] ElectroVagrant@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I think some of this may be the default Active sort setting for the all/federated feed keeping some communities and their posts around the top. Might be mistaken, but my understanding is that it primarily elevates upvoted posts with recent comments, leaning on recent comments for keeping it visible.

Problem is, that means some posts that may get a decent amount of upvotes but no or few comments may gradually get buried, only rising to the top briefly or on some slower days.

I think as a result of getting buried, some may not see the other stuff they might want to talk about to comment on, and besides that, I sometimes get the sense there are a lot of lurkers around here, voting on stuff but otherwise not commenting either for lack of anything to add or not wanting to risk getting into arguments (if not both).

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

voting on stuff but otherwise not commenting either for lack of anything to add

I see myself in this comment and I don't like it. It's hard to make the first comment though. Any suggestions?

[–] ElectroVagrant@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

What you did at the end can be a good approach tbh. Be curious and ask something about the post, or something in it that you're not sure of or familiar with, or if the OP hasn't added any body text or indications in the title and simply posted, what their opinion on it is, or if it's like a show/story/site/product, what's the premise or what's up with it and what they like about it.

Also if you don't want to focus it on the OP, in the absence of other comments, you can say as much like, "Do you (including anyone else reading) know/think [somethingsomething here]?"

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 months ago

Hello, good to see you here.

You might be right, this is indeed a filtering issue. I use "New comments" on Subscribed, and then "Top X hours" on All, but people who use Active must definitely be missing on some.

[–] LittleTarsier@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I think part of the issue is there's multiple communities on different instances for the same topic. I'm subscribed to like 4 different movie communities. If we all just stuck to one, maybe there would be better engagement?

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

That's interesting, because I can exactly tell you why there are so many movies communities

  • !movies@lemmy.world got created but is pretty much unmanaged. People on LW just post there out of habit, or because they support LW
  • there was historically a moviesandtv on an instance called lemmy.film. It was getting some traction, but then the instance disappeared
  • to keep another instance out of LW, people (including me) got involved into !moviesandtv@lemm.ee. It was going well, but at some point I suggested to have discussion threads for current movies, and to engage more with the community. The mod found that "backseat moderating" and banned me. The details can be found in the spoilers in the OP here: https://lemmy.world/post/11446250?scrollToComments=true
  • I thus took over !movies@lemm.ee, to kind of have that space to discuss movies.

I think we might consider posting to !movies@lemmy.world to promote the two others on Lemm.ee. I actually did that 2 months ago to talk about the Dune discussion thread we had on !movies@lemm.ee: https://lemmy.world/post/12820343?scrollToComments=true

18 upvotes, no comments, and that's it. I guess a few people went there, but I'm not sure.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Dang, this sucks. I usually post news rather than open discussions so I never noticed. I had my own disagreements with lemm.ee admin back in the day which is why I'm on sopuli.xyz among some other things.

I do wonder if going with movies community on an instance that has more broad one already is too much of a handicap. Something like beehaws's c/entertainment could work if parked at some instance that's federated well enough.

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

Open discussions are always the hardest things to get comments and actual conversations in the comments, except maybe in the AskLemmy community where it works well.

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[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Isn't this because there's already moviesandtv which seems to be better suited to the current community size?

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

I don't mind. We're still early adopters here really. I see it as slowly building a stronger place for people to find in future exoduses.

[–] darakan@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I started moderating !animation@lemm.ee about two weeks ago. I don't feel demotivated so far because it's still early days and I think it's a fairly niche topic. Especially among Lemmy's somewhat older userbase. On top of that the subscriber count has more than tripled during that time so I'm pretty happy with that. The one thing that frustrates me are the occasional random downvotes. I'm certain most of them are just by people not subscribed. I kind of wish there was a way to set it up so only subscribers to the community could downvote.

The 1 post that got a huge amount of traction and a lot of fun conversation (even though some of it was off topic) was a discussion question in the form of a meme. I wanted to try it out because on the ALL feed, the majority of the most popular posts are memes. It's not something I want to do too often because I don't want that to be the focus, but I'll probably do it from time to time in the hopes of getting more people engaged. And maybe pull some more subscribers.

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[–] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't mind the slower nature of lemmy. I like how quiet it is compared to the karma farming spam bot hell reddit was.

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[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ah, I really enjoyed interestingasfuck at the other place, I posted one just now, I'd like to see that community succeed.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago

Thanks! Hopefully it will!

[–] insomniac_lemon@kbin.social 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I posted some stuff and ran into this plus my threads not getting federated to certain places. And 3 weeks later they are still the newest posts on those communities (Kbin's ps1graphics and blender communities, note that Kbin communities seem to not use the community link format).

I had some technical questions and a roadblock too, but they are niche so I just... didn't deal with it. Maybe there's an instance out there that'd fit (for me, someone who dabbles in art and programming while not really being those things), but also I doubt it particularly because I'm only interested in a semi-niche programming language. Audience vs niche seems like an unwinnable balance.

I've thought about posting to a more popular lemmy.world community for the next thing I make as it would probably get more of a response, but probably not answers so that wouldn't matter since the stuff I made so far was just random objects. Well, I guess getting answers for Blender questions is more likely.

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