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[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 48 points 7 months ago (1 children)

See, in authoritarian regimes you get injected with sedatives that kill you if you attempt to resist the government.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

And the cops get away with murder because "they were trying to do the right thing and trying their best".

[–] exanime 44 points 7 months ago (1 children)

American cops have shown repeatedly they cannot be trusted with a baton... Anything with their involvement leading to injecting people with anything is completely absurd and dystopian

Land of the free my ass

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

The police and the rich are free, I don't see the problem

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

I don't think injecting someone with a sedative AFTER they're handcuffed makes any sense. And if ketamine has any negative interactions with anything then it is not safe to inject anyone.

Has this really been considered carefully enough? If anyone might have died from it then it needs to stop until it has been studied very carefully and completely.

No one should die from being arrested. Stop the insanity.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 26 points 7 months ago

The police view the dying side effect as a bonus, not a problem. Dead men tell no stories.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

They don’t give a single flying fuck about health concerns, they inject people to make them “calm down” while being assaulted by a gang of armed thugs. Death is just that much more quiet, no big deal

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

Are these medical professionals doing these injections? I don't understand how it isn't a full-on crime to inject anyone.

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 29 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I wonder how many of those people were a legitimate threat to the police officers' safety such that literally no other method of restraint was possible?

Injecting someone with a high, potentially lethal dose of sedatives seems like a tool that should be used sparingly with up most care, yet these deaths prove they're doing no such thing.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe a threat to the officers authoritative feefees. If I got injected with something against my will, I'd be on a lawsuit rampage.

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

if you survived

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 7 points 7 months ago
[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 27 points 7 months ago

Holy @#% this is dystopian

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 7 months ago

The article had stuff about how the raised acids in the blood after a struggle make the effects of sedatives more dangerous. Plus the unknown state of chemical use before the encounter (a lot of arrests involve drugs or alcohol). Sedatives are pretty risky, imo.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

Obligatory k---ing cops is self defence

[–] ElCanut@jlai.lu 5 points 7 months ago
[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not going to get too deep into this, but as an emt who has had to deal with some of these people who end up ketimined, it is my opinion that not drugging them may cause more deaths than drugging them.

Sometimes the amount of flipping out of these people and telling and spitting and biting and struggling is just not very believable. Trying to take care of a pissed off patient flinging blood all over the place while they're summoning what seems like way too much strength for a person their size and racking their heart rate up to 180 seems way more dangerous than the drug risk for everyone involved.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

as an EMT

You're actually trained to administer medication and evaluate its risks.

The cops just want to play Judge Dredd.

[–] shikitohno@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

If you read the article, it seems to actually be paramedics administering the medications in every case mentioned. The cops are still being shitty by using dangerous restraint holds on people, along with often encouraging EMTs to give sedatives in cases where the only justification is the convenience of the cops, but I didn't see them mention any cases of cops actually being the ones sedating people in it.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago

Cops aren't the ones drugging the people. The paramedics are. They then get taken to the hospital most of the time.