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[–] nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works 85 points 6 months ago (15 children)

Switch going to be conservative, meanwhile the deck clones are going all out. Wonder how those will run switch 2 emulators.

[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Kind of tangential, but can you do local multiplayer when emulating the switch on a steam deck. Like can you have a 4 player Mario kart game?

[–] KickMeElmo@sopuli.xyz 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Sure. Just need to use some external controllers obviously.

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[–] Onii-Chan@kbin.social 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I regularly emulate Switch games on my RoG Ally Z1E, and it pulls it off so fucking well, I haven't touched my Switch since I got the thing (it easily runs every title I've thrown at it at 60fps+higher res, plus I have the ability to mod games if I need to.)

I can't imagine it'll be too difficult for them to emulate Switch 2 games, assuming Nintendo don't catch on to emulation developers too early.

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[–] Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de 64 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Interesting, so in between lawsuits and takedowns they still do game related stuff from time to time huh?

One thing is certain,
due to all those lawsuits and takedowns,
I won't be buying into their next console,
they won't get a single dime from me anymore.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 13 points 6 months ago

But who will buy their $70 Wii U/Wii ports? :p

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What have they done recently that made you decide not to buy from them, that they haven't already been doing for 30+ years to begin with? Nintendo's lawsuits against emulator devs aren't a new phenomenon; they've been shutting down emulator/ROM projects since the 90s.

[–] Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 6 months ago

They might have been doing it for longer then I've been aware of.

But this is a (small) list of things that caught my attention and made me despise them:

  • Garry's Mod takedowns
  • Yuzu + Citra takedowns
  • Relic Castle takedown
  • Palworld Mod takedowns
  • BOTW Mod takedowns
  • PointCrow DMCAs
  • Gary Bowser's life ruined
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago

Nintendo consoles are great for piracy if that’s your bag

[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 47 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wow, modern technology has really progressed, can't wait to play tears of the kingdom still at 30 fps

[–] baropithecus@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

You can already play it comfortably in 60 fps, but not on Nintendo hardware.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Last time they tried a slight upgrade to not rock the boat and maintain backward compatibility was the WiiU.

[–] meteokr@community.adiquaints.moe 55 points 6 months ago (3 children)

That was the Wii actually. It being a slightly up clocked Gamecube. The WiiU was a massive hardware upgrade from the Wii at the time. The WiiU just had a host of other problems.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The Wii: Two GameCube glued together with funky remote controllers

The Wii U: Two Wii glued together with a funky remote controller... With a screen!

You can play GameCube games on the Wii U via USB by hacking the Wii part of the console, Nintendo just had a little bit more work to do to make it natively compatible...

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

Nah, the Wii wasn’t even two GC glued together. It was really just an overlocked GC. When you play GC games on Wii, the hardware clocks down and the Wii becomes a gamecube.

The reason why the Wii U can do that as well, is because in adition to it’s own hardware, all the necessary Wii hardware is also on board. It’s less a Wii mode than a built in Wii.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Eh yes but they really rocked the boat with the Wii going to motion wands and those Wii characters.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Probably why they're going after the emulators. Sounds like this thing is still well within reach of emulation, probably in the first couple of months of release.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I think up until the 3DS, console hardware was still somewhat specialised, to the point where you can't 100% accurately emulate old cobsoles. But at the level we currently are, consoles a little more than all-purpose computers. Emulating then is only down to having enough computational power.

[–] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 11 points 6 months ago

A lot of old consoles are actually based on standard CPUs for the most part. Look at the history of the 6502 for example. Emulating the hardware can be done if time is taken to reverse engineer all the layers into an emulator.

Part of the issue, to me, can be if all the work is done and then copyright disputes arise- all work has to be removed from the public.

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[–] JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 30 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I can't wait to see Nintendo's new underpowered console. I'm sure they won't completely miss the mark again.

1080p?! We're living in the future, guys!

[–] arades@sh.itjust.works 39 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Considering all of the PC handhelds being released, 1080p is the best you can really do on a handheld screen with modernish games. Steam Deck is the most successful and it is only 800p. Having a 1440 or 2160 screen would decimate battery with little to no benefit.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago

Screen size plays a role

Even if you can put an 8k screen in your 15cm profile. There isn’t any reason to do it

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago (15 children)

I love the Switch form factor, specifically the detachable controllers. I thought it was idiotic when I first saw the commercials but I love it. I don't care about AAA graphics on a portable, it is a little baby screen anyway. Cel shading, let's go, IDGAF.

Unfortunately they are making shitty Zeldas now so I'll probably not buy this one. If someone makes decent Linux hardware with detachable controllers I'd consider that.

[–] Dra@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Botw and sequel are critically acclaimed across the board.

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[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 26 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I honestly don't care about "underpowered hardware" and other similar crap. I do care about having to pay a sub just to get cloud saves, Nintendo's excessively restrictive policies, their obsession with litigating fans, their frustrating inability to understand modern multiplayer, and their increasing desire to rehash the same games many times.

The only reason I owned a Switch was for on-the-go gaming because gaming on phones is a joke, and now I have a Steam Deck.

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[–] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

Man, nintendo just needs to stop. Ugh. "Heres our NEW underperforming console! Get ready to play severely inferior ports of popular 3rd party games, everyone! We've ensured that only nintendo games will run well on our new console and nothing else because we dont actually want these vastly superior games from 3rd parties to outclass our nintendo developed games!". Why is it so hard for them to actually release something that's is on equal grounds with everything else? They spending all their coin on their precious DMCAs' or something? Also, fuck nintendo. Fuck them, fuck their inferior hardware and fuck their severe hatred of the fans. Seriously, I'm noticing a trend here. Either you are forced to play their games, which really aren't THAT great and mostly weird, or you're forced to play other 3rd party games, select ones at that, with severely inferior standards and performance. It's like they're trying to discourage any quality games out there from playing on their hardware on purpose because it's nintendo games or the highway, and that fits their aggressively anticonsumer mindset too. Another great indicator of this is why they refuse to let their characters appear in Fortnite. The kinda funny podcast did a piece on this. Here's a shocker: they literally said they don't want their characters in the game because it wasn't on their hardware exclusively. How childish is that? They are literally the only ones who won't do it. Microsoft and Sony were OK with having Kratos, Master Chief, Aloy, etc, DC was cool with sharing their IPs, Marvel was cool with it, MHA, DragonBall, Kaizen, AOT were cool with it, Fox was cool with sharing Family guy, Konami was cool with sharing Snake, Capcom was cool with sharing SF, hell, WE EVEN GOT JACK SKELLINGTON IN IT, but NOPE, Nintendo can't play nice. Shocking.

Guess what, Nintendo? Due to your outrageous behavior with emulation and lawsuits, along with your stupid takedowns (GMOD NINTENDO? FUCKING GMOD?), or how you ruined a mans life all because he chipped your garbage hardware, including how much you hate your fans who only wanted to celebrate you, I wont be giving you another fucking dime. I was never really much of a pirate, but when it comes to you? I am now. Get FUCKED you anticonsumerist dirtbags.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 22 points 6 months ago (6 children)

If a Nintendo console was comparable to other consoles in the same generation, would the games be more fun?
If not, then what's the point? Many SNES games are more fun than the vast majority of technically superior games out this year.
"They should make the graphics better so... that... the graphics would be better" isn't a super compelling argument.
My question is "what's going to make me stop playing my games on the Switch and play them on this instead".
My concern is that this is going to end up causing library fragmentation like the WiiU and the New 3DS. The Game Boy Color added color to its predecessor, the New 3DS added... slightly faster polygon calculations? I don't even know. Some games required the better processor but I couldn't tell you what they did with it. Maybe they just got away with worse optimization.

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[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Honestly, i wouldn't have expect anything different. Any lack of back-compatibility would have been a suicide move.

[–] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I hope games will be able to hit 60fps stable or offer some type of 40hz minimums for the higher refresh rate TVs.

Resolution is important, but if the games still perform like they do now, I’d be disappointed.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think Nintendo will probably try to hit a great pricepoint for parents instead of high performance. The last powerful Nintendo console that I'm aware of was the Gamecube.

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[–] cirkuitbreaker@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

In this thread: completely out of touch gamers shitting on the world's second best selling console of all time.

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[–] assembly@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I am surprised it won’t be more of a hardware improvement since the switch was released in 2017 so there has been a whole lot of new hardware to choose from since then. I would imagine there would be bigger improvements in GPU with the better Radeon offerings.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that Nintendo wants to be the affordable console parents buy for kids, and if the hardware costs $600 then it won’t be that.

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[–] ShadowCat@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Full backward compatibility is definitely great to see, if it didn't have it I probably wouldn't pick it up for a few years

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[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Is it me or do they always promise backwards compatibility and then find some cockamamie horseshit at the last minute on why it just wasn't possible. I might be a little scarred from previous promises (not specific to Nintendo).

[–] DaseinPickle@leminal.space 31 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Wii had backwards compatibility, same with Wii U. Switch couldn’t use disk so it couldn’t be. All the Gameboys had it. Super Nintendo as well. 3Ds and DS had it. Nintendo often do it.

[–] Davel23@fedia.io 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Super Nintendo was not backward compatible.

[–] DarkMetatron@feddit.de 9 points 6 months ago (11 children)

It "kind of" was with the Super Gameboy allowing for Gameboy games to run on the SNES. Buy yeah, more like a sideways compatibility

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[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago

Honestly, that sounds nice to me.

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

I think that's what we expected? I don't think anything else would make sense. Although I miss small handhelds like GBA or 3DS.

[–] Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I wonder of “conservative hardware evolution” in this context just means that it’ll still be a switch, just with upgraded internals.

The fact that the built-in screen might be 1080p implies a decent leap in performance. That’s twice as many pixels as a 720p/800p screen.

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[–] UnfortunateDoorHinge@aussie.zone 8 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Don't count your hens I remember when all the consoles had backwards compatibility, until they didn't.

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