this post was submitted on 28 Apr 2024
315 points (94.4% liked)

Ask Lemmy

26858 readers
1832 users here now

A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions

Please don't post about US Politics. If you need to do this, try !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world


Rules: (interactive)


1) Be nice and; have funDoxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them


2) All posts must end with a '?'This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?


3) No spamPlease do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.


4) NSFW is okay, within reasonJust remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com. NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].


5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.


Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.

Partnered Communities:

Tech Support

No Stupid Questions

You Should Know

Reddit

Jokes

Ask Ouija


Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

esp if you're one of the devout ones who think they've been really good

(page 3) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Regardless of how much you look forward to what comes after and how certain you feel about it, no one is going to want to go through the pain that comes with dying.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

If the pain aversion wasn't enough for most folks to not consider it, suicide in many faiths is considered a pretty big nono.

[–] 01011@monero.town 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

They don't believe in that bullshit any more than you do.

If they really believed that Big Brother is always watching them and will pass judgment when the time comes their behavior would be completely different, they might even be tempted to actually read that book they claim is his word. Alas...

[–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

you’d think so, wouldn’t you? it’s crossed my mind about a thousand times over the years.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Some good answers here, and some interesting ones. But here's (I think) a key perspective mostly missed:

In Christian thinking, life is good. Messed up, but good. Heaven is a vague term for where God is, and the End Game is us being alive again on Earth - either this earth, healed and fixed; or a completely new earth/world from scratch, depending on who you ask.

So even though we hope for something better, living now is good. And even though the real problem of death is solved, death is still bad per se.

That's not quite the whole picture, and those who grow closest to Jesus are often both very glad to be alive - for loving/helping others even more than for themselves - and looking forward to "going to heaven" where they can be in the undiminished presence of God.

Paul in the Bible put it:

For me to live is Christ and to die is gain

I.e. to carry on living is to do Chris's work; but to die is gain for me personally.

And which I prefer I do not know... I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is much better. But to stay on in the flesh is necessary for your sake.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

Religion has always been a compromise on logic. It's whatever in fairy land.

[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes. At the same time some aren't that sure or scared of death. And the rules are that detailed that lots of people have committed some kind of offense and can't expect to go to heaven for sure.

Also the bible has implemented some additional rules so you can't take a shortcut to heaven... Suicide won't do it because (surprise) it's a sin... And generally speaking god is just testing you with this life. That's kinda the only thing why it matters and why you would want to behave and live it like he intended.

Also there is martyrs, suicide cults etc taking that shortcut straight to heaven.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Roughly the rules are interpreted as if you spend your life in the service of somebody else or society you go to heaven. Of course, those in power see themselves as serving society because they give guidance. If you do things going against that, so disobey the leaders, you go to hell. It's how they tried to keep the populace in line. The rest is window dressing.

load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›