Is this the same AfD that got involved in several Russian spy scandals? It's an interesting coincidence their agenda and Russian interests always seem to line up.
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It's the same AfD that has the same talking points as the Russia linked National Front in France. What a weird coincidence, right?
And the finnish PS
And the Sweden Democrats. (not Swedish as I wrote before)
And the Dutch Forum for "Democracy".
No, itβs the same AfD that got involved in several Russian and Chinese spy scandals.
Yes, that's the same AfD. Also the same AfD that wants the forced deportation of millions of citizens from Germany.
Yeah but not just connections to Russia. Also China.
There is also evidence that the AfD had Russian officials draft a strategy paper for them, which they used as a basis for writing their party program. They have a real kink for Daddy Putin.
That was my first thought.
Now they sre involved in a china spy scandal
It's the same AfD that is so far right that Marine Le Pen finds them to be too extreme
Yeah, they want all kinds of things. A Brexit for Germany, less taxes, more taxes, less freedom, ruin the economy, autocracy instead of democracy...
Do they really want all those individual things, or do they just want a Fourth Reich, but can't outright admit that, so have to come up with plausible cover?
I don't know and my empathy isn't good enough to picture what a person like that wants. They seem to be pissed, the complexity of the world is too much for them. And they're a bit low IQ but speak up immediately and tell some simple truths that won't ever work in reality. Their thinking is: When I was young everything felt simpler. When I was young we also had a different currency. So bringing back the old currency will solve all issues... So I'm not sure if they even want the fourth Reich. I think they just want to be negative and complain. They'd probably also complain if that happened.
That's quite accurate. When Corona started, they were the first to demand strict measures.
As soon as the government started to take measures, they were out in the streets protesting against mandatory masks and everythingβ¦
The last time I've read their election manifesto, it was 80% "we're against this because we're against it."
Really, they're a bunch of opportunists to the outside. To the inside, they're undesirables being opportunists. A couple of those (heh, especially in the East) probably do want to rebuild another Reich.
That's just what they put in writing. But they still haven't even managed to kick out HΓΆcke who is on record saying that we should make a 180Β° turnabout in the way we remember Nazi Germany. They're Nazis, and we need to stop sugarcoating it.
They basically want to sell Germany to Russia and China for personal gains. They're just a bunch of disgusting, egotistical fucks that don't give a shit about Germany and its inhabitants.
They want a fourth reich. They want to deport even germans with non german parents. There is a good chance they will be part of the government, with the CDU/CSU, next election
Please let a Brexit for Germany be called deusfahrt... It'd be perfect for the shit Germany would then find itself in.
The core idea is to keep the β for Germany profitable β EU internal market while cutting away most cohesion projects.
So. Being Norway.
I believe that was basically what Nigel Farage campaigned on when going for Brexit.
The funny thing is that when the EU/EC was exactly that, politicians quite quickly realized that it wasnt fully working and they needed cohesion to develop the market further
Eh, do not hate on us or compare us to AfD just because we do not want to join the EU as full members. Our geography means we need tariffs to have a viable agricultural sector, which is important in times of crisis. We also have a lot of labour rights and stuff that is not compatible with the laissez faire ideology of the EU. It is bad enough that all public acquisitions have to abide EU's bullshit "competiton" rules, that impair public services because they have to shift value from benefit and quality to short sighted quantifiable metrics usually in form of untrue cost reports.
I really want Norway to be able to join the EU, but the EU has made itself an entity that would screw us over hard, effectively limiting our ability to participate beyond EEA. The EU has also decided that EEA members have no voting rights, making it hard for us to shape policy in a way so that we could join without conceding crucial societal issues to the bourgeouisie that effectively control the EU.
So, if I get this correct β joining the EU would be a step backwards for Norway, but joining Norway could be a step forward for the EU?
Sounds genuine. I'm sold.
We might be taking that step back anyways, but I am not quite sure we are in position to change the EU in significant ways.
I believe that was basically what Nigel Farage campaigned on when going for Brexit.
As did basically all Leavers in the public eye.
But as soon as they got what they wanted, it switched to "cut off the EU entirely and depend they don't exist". Disaster capitalists willing to trash the country and sell it out to their chums or hostile states, so long as they get a little cut out of it themselves.
I wonder how anyone could still be in favor of this after watching Brexit unfold.
One nice thing about Brexit was how all the eurosceptics just shut up for a while. The effect has been waning for a while though.
The AfD was founded as an anti-EU party, even before drifting ever further right.