Giyuu

Maybe even

trillions

of deaths

I became an ML the day I found r/GenZedong lol. Didn't get banned from anything.

"Barbarians raid another state for their plane"

The socdem failure is now complete. When I left them I was but the learner now I am the master.

Bit late replying but this came up as I was scrolling. I remember Chris Cuomo as a CNN suit or whatever. This is oddly based to say, particularly at a convention, even for a social democrat. What are his actual politics?

You're trying to get as many people introduced to Marxist ideas as possible. And whilst you will get some people to explore further down and eventually some will become Marxists, others will reject it or stay aligned on only certain issues. That's just how it is.

This kind of applies to every level of radicalization to be honest, bar like once someone grasps the historical materialist/scientific interpretation of history. But that is much further down the pipeline than someone like Hasan is.

So for example he will have some viewers who become Marxists after hearing the deprogram podcast and then checking out Hakim, and then falling even further down (Hasan has been on the deprogram), whilst some viewers might stay and watch Hasan only for info about Palestine, or some may stay social democrats.

I will disagree with this on my interpretation of "how the sausage is made". I don't think I've seen a fascist who understands how capitalism actually works.

Telling someone they'd be speaking German were it not for Lenin or Stalin usually shuts them up pretty quickly

If making memes is what you like to do, ideally you read some theory to help make memes that better convey ML ideas. Only reading theory is not enough by itself.

Also I kinda will walk back, or maybe clarify, a little of what I said, specifically about Hasan "occupying an important niche". Whilst he occupies that niche, that's not to say that he's the only person in that niche nor that there's only room for one person in there. Also not saying that someone else cant come along and do better.

But the real world results matter and I know there are a lot of people here who might not be here without Hasan, myself included. And remember not everyone is going to become a Marxist when you're that high up on the pipeline.

I go back and forth on Hasan. But in general I think he occupies an important part of the pipeline that isn't an actual dead end ala destiny/vaush. And whilst he has criticised China, the last time I heard him do that it was honestly rather feeble or felt like stock criticism ("they could loosen up censorship"). Then he's got gigachad Xi/China emojis that you'll see in his chat all the time. This is obviously the beginning of normalizing China for many watchers, not unlike the memes that many of us saw on GenZedong before reddit shut it down (although GZ was way more radical).

This, with his connections to the deprogram, who directly interface with non-MLM Marxist theory, is a pipeline. From there you're a hop away from Professor Wolf, who isn't far from Geopolitical Economy Report/Hudson/Prashad etc. I'd like to see a bit more direct interface between creators at the level of the deprogram etc make an effort to lead to Wolf/GER a bit more but I'm so out of the loop with "breadtube" maybe that's already happening.

Hasan (and the deprogram, but especially Hasan as a giant "influencer" ) does have to work within a capitalist framework which makes him petty bgz but it feels wrong to group him with the rest.

There absolutely can be a contradiction between his material interest of keeping his followers vs keeping the valve to the pipeline open. Maybe he could make more an effort to lead his followers to unknowingly allow themselves to fall further down the pipeline, but again Ive moved beyond that area of the pipeline (as you're supposed to) and haven't made an effort to monitor it so I can't offer much more than just giving an outline of how this works and what problems can arise.

I don't usually get too mad but this story really pissed me off.

Amazon is fucking disgusting and Bezos is human filth. This cannot be said enough. I had a coworker who worked one day and quit because they told me it was the most dehumanizing and depressing place they had ever been.

The only justice is that Bezos and his kind will eventually go the way of history and will be remembered as filth and losers. And they will be swept away, and all the capital in the world cannot change the tide. But for now they are the worst of the worst.

There were many good arguments. Youre just ok with genocide and/or weren't smart enough to understand them 👍