PugJesus

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social -4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Any drama must be posted as an observer, you cannot post drama that you are involved with.

When posting screenshots of drama, you must obscure the identity of all the participants.

Both of the top rules of the Fediverse drama sub are kind of antithetical to the point of FediverseSlander.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social -5 points 1 week ago (5 children)

There's a Fediverse drama sub, but it's about recording rather than disproving drama, and doesn't allow drama to be posted by anyone involved in the drama.

This is more about disproving false claims that come about in the process of Fediverse drama, and allows people to bring up their own cases, so long as they come with evidence that the claim is false, and not just counter-accusations or unsupported denials.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social -1 points 1 week ago

That's valid, both in the criticism of the behavior and of drama comms more generally. I'd argue that the catharsis is a large part of the motivation here though, with a secondary effect of having an easier tool to refute recurring rumors from dedicated trolls which can, nonetheless, become 'common knowledge' - and who the fuck wants to write out a screed every time to contest it when they see it just so they don't get, by repetition and convincingly phrased lies, a reputation as a dog-fucker or something like that? Better to do it once and have it to easily refer to.

As someone who is deeply combative, and, for that matter, abrasive enough that I've made a few people hate my guts to the point of throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks, I've waded into enough comment sections to dispute being called utter bullshit to find it tedious. I find the idea of a centralized comm mandating verification for disproving claims to be a somewhat comforting idea in comparison to games of drama whack-a-mole between conflicting personalities. That the comm mandates 'receipts' and specific, rather than general, claims also reduces the bullshit quotient that drives ugliness in many drama comms. It's not here to tell a story, but to point out that a specific claim is provably false and bad faith.

I would also argue that with the Fediverse still being as small as it is, unlike in something the size of, say, Reddit, there's a much greater element similar to old-style forums in that personalities are, for both better and worse, capable of becoming well-known fixtures either by their own behavior (even when they have nothing particularly exceptional to offer except participation in the community) or by games of internet telephone. A lack of drama communities, in this case, would not mean a lack of drama, but a lack of verification - unlike in larger milieus, like Reddit, where drama communities are the primary vehicle for reputations, good and bad, in smaller milieus, drama communities are more repositories for the accumulation of extant and active drama.

But again, I also don't entirely disagree with your criticisms. As I said, I find the routine tedious - that this is meant to minimize the whole song-and-dance is appealing to me, but the objectively less-tedious (if not necessarily less gossip-suppressing) option would be to simply not-engage. Many of us, however, find not-engaging to be as irritating or more irritating than engaging - which while a personal flaw, is also not exactly something that can be waved away. And drama communities can absolutely (and are uniquely inclined to) devolve into very ugly things by the nature of everyone playing "gawk and take sides", especially if a circlejerk mentality begins to emerge in them. I suppose all I can say there is that if things get bad and I'm cognizant of the fact, I'm not averse to axing the comm myself.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I mean, I thought the whole point of the comic was that it's an extremely common urge, just expressed in a stark way that highlights that we, as human beings, are silly animals with space-age technology.

At the same time, this comm isn't so much for people being wrong on the internet - you could say that most comms with any amount of controversy center around people quarreling over others being wrong on the internet. This is, specifically, for recording and disproving people slandering other users. "John believes in Flat Earth Theory" doesn't belong here unless John provably doesn't believe in Flat Earth Theory - in which case it's probably not the accuser bringing the issue, but the falsely accused, who then has something to easily and publicly refer to to dispute the slander going forward.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If they don't, they don't. It's whatever in the end, at least from my pov. The point of the comm is primarily for venting and establishing the truth of a matter.

Informing the slanderers in question would be a nice option to have for those of us who want it, but not really core to the idea of the comm.

 

!FediverseSlander@Lemmy.world is a pointless drama comm for when you really need to vent about a user on the Fediverse spreading blatant and, most importantly, disprovable lies about another user. The lies being disputed can be about you, or they can be about someone else - just come with receipts of some sort both for the claimed lies, and to prove that what was said was a lie!

For when the salt in your life overfloweth, and you need to dispute some bullshit!

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, okay! If it's being worked on, that's all I needed to know! I'm just going to delete them and publish them normally, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something wrong so next time I tried I wouldn't just be repeating a mistake.

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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by PugJesus@piefed.social to c/piefed_help@piefed.social
 

I recently scheduled several posts, but they didn't post at the scheduled time, unless I'm missing something. Any suggestions?

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 4 weeks ago

I meant the question as "What if I posted those examples on a Piefed.social comm", but thank you for clarification!

 

I've been considering making the move to Piefed for a while, but I suppose there are a few things that I haven't been able to find that I was wondering about.

First, what is Piefed.social's structural situation like? After having survived the fall of Kbin (big RIP) and seen Lemm.ee fall because of admins who cannot continue for completely understandable and unavoidable personal reasons, what is Piefed's situation there? I don't see the list of admins on the sidebar like in Lemmy instances, do you have enough admins to weather growth? Is there a broader org you could theoretically cooperate with if there was a sudden need for admins?

Second, what is Piefed's financial situation like? I've seen plenty of sites, though so far no major Fediverse instances, fall because of an inability to keep donations and expenses in order. I see the donation page, but what is the financial health of the instance like? Some instances post monthly or yearly reviews of the financial situation, but if Piefed does, I don't know where to find it.

Third, what is Piefed's position on genocide? I fucking hate that I have to ask this, but having seen too many people on the Fediverse deny the Holodomor, Uyghur genocide, etc, including the Lemmy devs themselves (who are no small part of the reason why I'm considering making the move), I don't want to move here and then find out that the position of the admins is something horrific. I don't expect that the admins intend to play whack-a-mole with genocide deniers themselves, since if anything that's properly the job of moderators and communities to drive the bastards out, but simply knowing that the admins are not supporters of genocide denial would put my mind at ease a great deal.

Fourth, what is the defederation policy of Piefed.social?

Thank you for your time!

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