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It is not bigoted to call Francis out for his sanctioning of the pedophile cover ups, and his refusal to even allow the punishment of known child abusers (Nevermind punishing them himself, he sanctioned the intervention on their behalf to get them out of punishment). [...]

What I actually referenced: calling the recently deceased pope a pedophile.

Actually it was calling the recently deceased Pope a pedophile.

The only examples I've seen of this are people saying it's antisocial and counterproductive behavior to crab dance this pope's death. It definitely is antisocial, it's only something a small group would enjoy and most would be very alienated by it.

This is just a fact of what it is. For some it makes sense to embrace the antisocial, often creating and preferring a new in-group. Unfortunately this tends to mean cloistering oneself and failing to actually build anything, and adopting habits that prevent it.

This forum's name was originally from a podcast by not-particularly-funny white guys in New York. They have not actually built anything. They are not of an organization. They don't mobilize anyone to do anything. They make snarky jokes poking fun at the liberal political establishment and electoral politics and are increasingly irrelevant. That is the inevitable trajectory of seeking conflict and infighting and being eagerly disrespectful to your comrades.

How do you think calling the recently deceased pope a pedophile would go over with the vast majority of Catholics? This is like the edgy "how old was Aisha when Mohammed married her?" digs, just reformulated for a context where anti-Christian sentiment is acceptable.

Only a few of those comments say, "I'm trans and this is my trauma" but I think a forum of communists should be wary of accepting bigotry so long as it is done by people of a given identity. For example, have you ever met a liberal justifying war crimes by shared identity? Hell, I've met self-described communists in communist parties that did that. Thankfully with the latter it blew back on them.

While this is a confused forum that selectively takes itself seriously, I do think it is a good idea to consistently consider the approach you'd want to take when doing irl organizing. If you had an irl audience, would you include the "the Pope is a pedophilr" dig? Would it actually be funny? Would you be self-conscious about alienating members or prospective members? You don't have to be a Very Serious Communist all of the time, but I do think flippant dismissals and disrespect blesd into offline socialization. And the replies here are far from kind to the parent, who is sharing a concern about irl organizing because they had the impression this was a communist space by people trying to build communism and this thread is discordant with that.

With our luck we'll get Tortellinimalo, though.

By that same logic it means absolutely nothing whether a niche communist forum celebrates or mocks trans people.

This thread is full of complete inconsistency and a lack of basic care and respect for comrades.

I would say that one should model good and productive behavior as best they can, even in a "venting" or "shitposting" forum, because in my experience a person's online behavior is not really compartmentalized. We've all had to deal with the annoying Redditor who just joined the org, for example.

So let's do our best to understand and share, including examining our own posts for inconsistencies before writing each other off. Writing each other off early is, actually, a toxic tendency of this forum.

On the contrary, there is plenty of anti-Christian sentiment in this thread and it has even spilled over into an anti-c/christisnity post on the front page.

This response is exxagerating and not actually engaging with what the comrade said. Please apologize to the comrade.

Believe it or not this is just what Italians looked like back then.

I would recommend thinking about it this way: whenever a comrade is "wrong" about something, literally anything, how much do you make it your business to "correct" them?

When it comes to socialism and organizing, the answer must always be, "to the extent it improves the organization or helps them personally". A sign of a dysfunctional social space is that people are constantly getting in each others' business for no reason other than that they are "wrong" about something. Dysfunctional socialist spaces will even dress this up in left language and (ironically enough), for example, say it causes disunity for a member to be dating a liberal. Of course, the disunity comes from the org trying to control a member's romantic life.

In this scenario, what is the existence of socialist Christians here actually doing to disrupt you or others? Are there certain problematic posts that inspired your question or did you just see "Christian" and start attacking? Are there a bunch of Calvinists in there doing Calvinism to us? Do you think you might actually be the source of disruption in thus scenario?

As I explained, the more likely thing to look for is certain kinds of dissimilarity. Not a phone, but something living off rocks. The bias is reversed from what is probable.

The bias is incorrect, though