anonymous111

Thank you for this detailed reply.

I think we've found the crux of our 2x points of view:

1. Without a definition of a disinformation campaign it is difficult to set rules that can be enforced. Example: do religious leaflets count as disinformation as they aren't based on scientific fact? If not then why is there an exemption for that case and not others?

2. I preface this with: I am not in the field but am biased to the views of the British NHS. The scientific sources you've listed, though through, are contradicted by other scientific sources (note, I'm not talking about "these are my facts" but actual institutional research).

Source: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

Puberty blockers and gender-affirming hormones

Puberty blockers (gonadotrophin-releasing hormone analogues) are not available to children and young people for gender incongruence or gender dysphoria because there is not enough evidence of safety and clinical effectiveness.

So in summary there are 2x challenges I see:

1. Reputable scientific sources do not agree on this issue.

2. Applying a purely scientific principle will break existing norms and allowances. Principles agrees for this area and applied to other areas will cause an impact.

I'm keen to get your views on this as this is where my own thought processes usually get stuck.

Sorry for long text replies but this is helping with forming a more concrete view for myself :)

What was the behind the scenes deal on this? I remember it happening but not the details

Good points. I agree with the paradox of tolerance and your other points.

Thank you for taking the time to reply. This type of discussion is why in use social.media but it is rare to get past the partisan brigading.

Civil disobedience is an interesting point in this case. Personally, I probably would have acted as this Canadian woman did.

What I am struggling with is understanding what counts as a disinformation campaign. I read in your post that you'd answer this as a society and with research however, if you were put in charge of this research tomorrow, do you have a draft definition of a disinformation campaign?

I ask as I try to see the world in black and white and steer clear of the grey however, this is rarely possible.

Free speech being a good example. It's either a 1 or 0.

Bordeaux did something similar. They had parking garages on the riverside in the 1950s.

One of their Mayor's had them demolished and turned into pedestrian space. He also limited the parking and built a tramway to incentivze the use of public transport.

Its a very nice place to go in the summer.

Hypothetically (because I'm interested and not trying to start an argument) would you ban the delivery of leaflets for a pro Trans party that was authoritarian?

P.S. I agree with you points :)

A different analogy would be a right wing person refusing to deliver left wing mail. Example might be something for a 'Woke' support group.

Another could be, Atheists refusing to deliver religious letters of Christmas cards.

My point is , we can't leave it to individuals to decide these things in isolation.

Surprised I haven't seen this in the replies. This type of thinking is why Steve Jobs tried to fast and diet his way out of pancreatic cancer which led to his death.

Sterilization? What did I miss?

"As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

This was written by H.L. Mencken in The Baltimore Evening Sun on July 26, 1920.

LinkedIn didn't originally have a feed. Once it was implemented more and more people started using it as face book.

In the last year I've seen:

• A video of 3 people killed by a lightening strike, with some weird business wisdom tag line underneath.

• Many, many people arguing about the existence of Israel.

• Lots of anti woke "it wasn't like that in my day, bunch of snow flakes" comments.

Back in the day you'd have to join a group to post something. The groups were all related to business concepts I.e. Dev Ops in Asia.

Now it's a shit show that should be avoided.

I only use it for job adverts these days.

Same. I thought I'd go down a road at night for cover. Then a Death Claw appears out of nowhere behind me.

Who decides what is hurtful though?

If it is the person delivering the leaflets then a Nazi postal worker can decide not to deliver postal votes as they see democracy as hurtful to their cause.