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Nope. Going to get a big jacket that says "Voting is for chumps" just so I can watch liberal go off.

Definitely don't think that people should pragmatically vote and then leave it at that instead of wasting anymore time in electoralism

Lol I will let my comrades know that locally organizing doesn't count as political action. They will get a good laugh from that

Lol I spend my time local organizing and helping my community but that doesn't matter to you clearly.

It only counts if I waste my time advocating for electoralism.

Thats a pretty dumb position and one that is clearly born of privileged.

I do remember the graphic. Remember how nothing we've tried in the last 20 years has gotten that number to move? I do.

It's Rich to call my position privileged with the way your arguing.

Remember when I said you shouldn't spend a lot of time on electoralism. Lenin agrees. Not that you care because to you he would be the ultimate tankie.

Yeah sure if you keep repeating the line about "tankies" not taking things seriously somebody will believe you.

Somebody doesn't understand what local organization is.

Local elections which are often pushed for by local organization which is something that I advocate for.

Also there are plenty of these organizations that exist that don't use government help because they're unable to get it

Nah I'd much rather focus on the Legacy left by the Democrats and particularly Joe Biden and ensuring that Trump won an election that was almost handed to the Democrats on a silver platter.

They made their own political party and did not use the one that pre-existed. Also they weren't solely focused on electoralism as even one of their most important aspects of the fight. They were focused on using electoralism to get their message out. They were focused on using electoralism to show how electoralism couldn't save them from their problems which directly led to the October Revolution.

I've also never said that you shouldn't vote for third party or work with third party only that you shouldn't waste a ton of time with parties focused on electoralism.

It's wonderful to be told what I mean over and over and over again when I've said quite clearly what I meant

I understand that it's not your strategy to be solely focused on electoralism but it is the Democrat strategy which is the party you are pushing for.

Do you not understand what organizing locally is? Guess not. You must think that fucking soup kitchens and homeless shelters are the stuff of Miracles then. Or that the Democrats do it all

Lowering the ACA premiums and increasing some tax credits that could be easily Dodge by corporations was quite the accomplishment of one of the most Progressive administrations in American history.

I don't know why people are so upset about Universal Health Care or the government option that the Democrats were being on about during the 2020 election.

It's not like a Democrats allowed all of the protections protecting children from Child property to expire in 2022.

Certainly not like the tax credit was a feature of the Trump Administration that Biden then enhanced.

Doesn't address the very real problems with these services that every day Americans rely on

I mean I've shown at this point conclusively that we've known about this issue in the United States since at least the 90s. In fact there was talk about this in the 80s.

There's been a soul focus on getting apathetic voters to engage for about the last 20 years which hasn't worked and you think the best thing is to double down on a strategy that hasn't worked?

But I'm ignoring material conditions?

Okay since you're so interested in talking about material conditions let's talk material conditions. Who controls the Democrats and the Republicans because it's not the voters. It's the people with a shit ton of money that can then use their money as speech to vote.

Is entirely inconsequential to get 10 million people to stand on the side of a road for a protest that does not threaten power. This was something that even MLK Jr recognized which is why he was historically unpopular during his time. He did things like shut down the highways, Shut down bus routes, shut down cities. They never used violence they only just stood in the way but it was effective. You'll notice that the 10 million strong that we just had in the no Kings protest did none of those things and thus nothing changed.

How many people begged Biden to change his Palestine policy and told him that he was going to lose the election because of it? 1, 2, 1000?

Man electoralism is so good at getting our politicians to listen to us.

I wonder who was in control in the 90s, what party when we went through both recession and lost all of our manufacturing jobs. And I wonder how that happened and what economic theory can be used to explain it. I mean it's not like the Democrats did anything to fix all of the social cutting by the Reagan administration nor did they put back any of the regulations they removed that would have resulted in a much different outcome for us today they had put those restrictions back.

We had a record number of Voters turn out in 2024 and it wasn't enough.

The capitalists are not interested in what we want and they're spending Millions upon millions of dollars to ensure that will never get it and that what we do get will be ineffective compromises that barely count as a solution. It's why we couldn't get a minimum wage increase through and it's why we can't get something that every other fucking country in the world has.

You know what I remember about all of this a large focus on electoralism and how that if we just get the Democrats in we can do the necessary work to push them farther left wing but that doesn't seem to have work now does it. If anything the Democrats are further right than they've ever been and what they offer us are are social platitudes that don't meaningfully affect anybody's lives.

Every election I have ever lived through has always been about voting in the Lesser evil and pushing the Democrats to the left and it's not worked

Stop pushing insanity. Whenever we manage to achieve through the electoral process will be undone as soon as the capitalists are able to do so and that is also historically true. Pretending that electoralism is going to do anything other than delay the inevitable is a pipe dream of those who only want to live in peace who cannot understand that that was never an option.

Passed in 1993 Responding to historically low rates of voter registration, Congress passed the National Voter Registration Act.

Conclusive proof that we were already aware this was a problem and have been working on getting people to engage soley focusing on getting those people to vote.