@deadsuperhero
> the reference implementation everyone uses by default is known to be bloated and slow, and poor at scaling
This doesn't seem to stop the fediverse growing (*cough* Mastodon *cough*).
strypey
joined 6 years ago
@smileyhead
> But noone figured out how to prevent that in federated systems
You've basically got a choice been a centralised service where metadata can be limited but E2EE is mostly pointless (you have to trust the service operators' E2EE deployment), or a decentralised network where E2EE is reliable, but it's harder to limit metadata.
Which one is best depends on the situation/ threat model.
@deadsuperhero
> I’d really love to see a “modern” WhatsApp-like take on an XMPP messenger, but I haven’t found any
Have you looked at @snikket_im ?
@Rambi
> but how come your username says @null?
No idea. Maybe a bug in your app? Maybe something to do with the fact I'm posting from a Mastodon server rather than Lemmy server?
@theKalash
> Lemmy neads a feature where people can “merge” communities from different instances so it appears like a single one
I'm confused by this. I'll admit I haven't used Lemmy much yet, but I thought communities do exist across all servers? So if I join "c/fediverse" on any one server, and you join "c/fediverse" on any other server, we're joining the same community. Is that not how it works?
@itadakimasu
Plus, the Lemmy servers are part of a much larger network; the fediverse. Not just other forum apps like KBin either. Right now I'm replying to this from Mastodon.
I have an alt on a .nz Lemmy server, but haven't got into the habit of using it yet. So at least some of the perceived shrinkage *is* due to that, rather than any failure of the network. Also due to spam and troll accounts being purged.
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@itadakimasu
> there’s only 60k of us? And that’s a good thing?
A centralised platform is a numbers game. The money for upgrading servers for growth has to come from one company, and if the platform shrinks it gets harder to get a return on that spending.
It just doesn't matter as much in a federated network. The cost of growth is spread across many servers. Some of which will end up shutting down, for a range of reasons. But others have room for growth.
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@MyopicTopic
> very few people have an entire extended friend group looking to figure out what a decentralized federated Facebook would entail
Indeed. It's a real swiss army knife of a platform, hard to even spec out a replacement. I had a go at that here a few years ago:
I'm sure I wrote out a more developed summary of this as a blog post, but I can't find it right now.
@theory
> Is there a good fedi or p2p alternative to twitch?
#OwnCast was designed specifically for this:
#PeerTube also has livestreaming capabilities, as well as being able to host recordings of livestreams for future playback after they're over:
There's also #GreatApe, which is entering beta and looking for testers:
@DaisyLee
> What are the best fediverse alternative to the big sites on the web?
Which ones are the best is a matter of taste, but this page gives you an idea which of the corporate DataFarms the various fedi apps can be a replacement for:
https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_are_Fediverse_projects%3F/Fancy
@lackthought
> I was just looking at Matrix, are there community servers like on discord people can join? or is it all private rooms?
There are loads of public rooms on matrix, eg:
https://matrix.to/#/#fediverse-city:matrix.org
FYI what Discord calls a "server" is actually just a group of chat channels and their pool of members. The equivalent of a Discord "server" on matrix is a "Space". This blog post is a couple of years old out-of-date, but it gives you the general idea:
@deadsuperhero
> development of a Go-based backend implementation, Dendrite
Also Rust-based homeserver implementations like Construct and Conduit. Both of which are usable, although missing a few nice-to-have added features. Eg Conduit is still working on;
"E2EE emoji comparison over federation (E2EE chat works)... Outgoing read receipts, typing, presence over federation"
@Terevos @Samsy