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[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Haven't read any article about this specific 'discovery' but usually this uses a completely different technique than the AI that comes to mind when people think of AI these days.

From the conclusion of the actual paper:

Deep learning models that use full-field mammograms yield substantially improved risk discrimination compared with the Tyrer-Cuzick (version 8) model.

If I read this paper correctly, the novelty is in the model, which is a deep learning model that works on mammogram images + traditional risk factors.

[–] FierySpectre@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

For the image-only DL model, we implemented a deep convolutional neural network (ResNet18 [13]) with PyTorch (version 0.31; pytorch.org). Given a 1664 × 2048 pixel view of a breast, the DL model was trained to predict whether or not that breast would develop breast cancer within 5 years.

The only "innovation" here is feeding full view mammograms to a ResNet18(2016 model). The traditional risk factors regression is nothing special (barely machine learning). They don't go in depth about how they combine the two for the hybrid model, ~~so it's probably safe to assume it is something simple (merely combining the results, so nothing special in the training step).~~ edit: I stand corrected, commenter below pointed out the appendix, and the regression does in fact come into play in the training step

As a different commenter mentioned, the data collection is largely the interesting part here.

I'll admit I was wrong about my first guess as to the network topology used though, I was thinking they used something like auto encoders (but that is mostly used in cases where examples of bad samples are rare)

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They don't go in depth about how they combine the two for the hybrid model

Actually they did, it's in Appendix E (PDF warning) . A GitHub repo would have been nice, but I think there would be enough info to replicate this if we had the data.

Yeah it's not the most interesting paper in the world. But it's still a cool use IMO even if it might not be novel enough to deserve a news article.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

ResNet18 is ancient and tiny…I don’t understand why they didn’t go with a deeper network. ResNet50 is usually the smallest I’ll use.

[–] llothar@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

I skimmed the paper. As you said, they made a ML model that takes images and traditional risk factors (TCv8).

I would love to see comparison against risk factors + human image evaluation.

Nevertheless, this is the AI that will really help humanity.