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Full on roaming EDL gangs. Pretty insane stuff. This article doesn't do it justice. Most of the footage I've seen has been on Instagram.

The craziest part is they started in response to a misogynist terror attack in Southport. The suspect of the terror attack was Welsh born, with parents from Rwanda, and is most likely Christian. So naturally they started lynching Muslims.

EDIT: This next part is dubious.

Apparently before it all kicked off there was a russian clickfarm that posted a fake article calling the suspect 'Ali Muhammad' or some sort of very stereotypical islamic name, before all the real information had come out.

I mean, not that you can really blame it all on that. It was just a fuse waiting to be lit.

More accurately investigated here: https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2024-08-02/did-russian-disinformation-fuel-the-southport-protests/

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[–] belligerentkitten@hexbear.net 86 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

I lived in the UK for years. I went to oppose fascist marches many times. It was violent, like seriously fucking dangerous. I have been hurt. I hurt fash. I wore a fucking helmet and they threw rocks and bottles at us, my helmet was hit and fucking saved my life. After the marches the fash would break up into smaller groups to roam the streets and attack minorities. We did our best to protect people. I'm not saying this to look cool. Truth was I was scared out of my mind and I don't know if I can ever go back to that kind of thing. I'm saying it because I absolutely believe that what is going on now must be like that, but so much worse. That place has only gotten worse in the 4 years since I left.

This has been brewing for literal decades at this point. There was a contingent of anti-europe people in the conservative party, way back before brexit. they were a small voice calling for it. but even then, more subtly, they had been putting their fingers into the culture and brewing anti-immigrant, anti-muslim, and anti-EU sentiment. When this group got loud enough to threaten the integrity of the conservative party, Pigfucker David Cameron called the brexit referendum, expecting it to fail, as a way to shut up the rightwing of the party. But instead that proved to be the catalyst for the fascist sentiments in the UK to be brought into the mainstream. This was when the tactics I associate with fascism truly started to feel like they were integrated into british society. Facts stopped mattering to people. Hate crime went up. Hell I got violently attacked.

As far as I know, there was some russian influence on Brexit. I don't mean that russia caused this current situation - absolutely not, they only have the utter disaster of the past few decades to blame. They utterly failed to contain the rise of fascism. But I believe a nuanced and fact-based take is that Russia thought that Brexit would be politically useful to them, and used social media to support that. It probably would have happened anyway, the force from this didn't come from russia but from some scheming british fascists.

This has been waiting to happen for fucking years.

I also wanna say that I'm not saying the EU is a good thing. It's an inherently white supremacist institution "protecting" fortress europe against the desperate people at the borders. But the way british culture and politics work, and indeed this is true of a bunch of countries' far right, opposing EU membership was a predominantly fascist position, and considering everything that has happened in that hellhole of a country since brexit, i do think it would be better if it had never left.

edit: thank u to those who have thanked me for what i used to do. but i was just doing my job as a human being, among many others, resisting people who have forgotten their humanity. maybe one day i will be able to, or have to, do it again.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

Thank you for your service.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago

Braver than any fuckin western troop 07

[–] Beetle_O_Rourke@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago

Thank you for your service rat-salute-2

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Isn't british culture pretty exceptionalist. "We british have been isolated on this island, we've developed into superior beings than the continental European, we don't need them"

By british they almost certainly mean only white englishmen, welshman and Scotsman etc.

[–] bumpusoot@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Typically they just mean white englishmen and nobody else. Scot and Welsh attitudes are typically far more international and less supremacist.

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's something to be said about the lowland scots and imperialism In the 19th century, but it seems they've turned their back on that and become oppressed by the english themselves.

Wales also participated in the empire, not as much as lowland scots, but they did.

[–] bumpusoot@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

For sure, but attitudes have certainly changed since then.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

On the map of where these riots happened, none of them were in Wales or Scotland. And only one was in NI.

[–] belligerentkitten@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

yes, that is v true and accurate