comrade, i mean no disrespect- i was an anarchist when i was a baby leftist as well. in an ideal world, and purely speaking ideologically, i am an anarchist. i would love if the world operated entirely free of any sort of state, if any sort of hierarchy was able to be examined and dismantled if need be

but i realize that the modern world is much more complicated than the answers anarchism provides

the only way to achieve communism, even if we're talking entirely stateless communism, is to seize the state and use it as a vehicle to enact the will of the revolution. i am genuinely curious how you expect it to be done otherwise? let's say antifa just shot joe brandon and took over the white house. okay, now what? they just declare amerikkka is over? come on.

[–] ttttux@hexbear.net -3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I'm an anarcho syndicalist, I belive that we can build workers syndicates and communities where the workers own the means of production and only when we have those organisations we can even begin to think of overthrowing the state

[–] sweatersocialist@hexbear.net 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

okay, simply put; the state is entirely controlled by capital. we live in a dictatorship of capital- this is a basically irrefutable fact for any sect of leftist.

with that being said, let's say you do start taking over workplaces, building communities around those workplaces which the workers took over; what is the state going to be doing while all of this happens? even if you take over by entirely 'legitimate' electoral and peaceful means.

amazon workers can't even go on strike without someone getting their skull cracked. you can't demonstrate against genocide without being beaten half to death.

what has the state done in the past when workers even went on strike?