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I agree with this part so much. Instead of free college, we need free trade and technical schools. Good paying jobs, typically union with pensions and we have a huge shortage.
To reach across the divide for a handshake:
This is something Biden and many progressives have been pushing for,
Free community college/trade schools: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/06/21/readout-of-white-house-meeting-on-expanding-access-to-free-community-college/
Advanced manufacturing training and jobs in the US: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/01/23/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-highlights-new-commitments-toward-equitable-workforce-development-in-advanced-manufacturing/
And even pushing paid apprenticeships: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/06/fact-sheet-president-biden-signs-executive-order-scaling-and-expanding-the-use-of-registered-apprenticeships-in-industries-and-the-federal-government-and-promoting-labor-management-forums/
And specifically in shipbuilding and getting the workforce where it needs, both in private ships and the military, the admin is moving in the right direction, opening new shipbuilding yards, getting people to train up, and putting in ship orders https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/07/29/fact-sheet-white-house-announces-new-private-sector-investments-in-american-maritime-industries-due-to-biden-harris-administration-efforts/
Getting more manufacturing back in the US, becoming more self sufficient, and having dignified employment are all my goals as a progressive too, and I'm really happy there's movement from the current administration in their areas (despite complaints in other areas)
(I used all Whitehouse links as a from-the-horses mouth source, but there are plenty of articles about each)
An educated population is the only way we can compete on the world stage.
They don't vote against their best interests.
Do you think high skill trades aren't an education? I don't think they are saying anything against a traditional university education, but more supporting skilled trades as well.
My mistake, they did say "instead of free college". I think we could probably support both if we raised the standards a bit.
Well we spent 30 years valuing college... How did that work out?
Anyone who had a social security and blood pulse could go to college and that's what happened.
1/3 failed out,1/3 doing jobs which don't require a college degree.
1/3 benefited to varying degree.
Do you think we needed note millennials in college.
I am not a conservative wtf... my body of work speaks for itself. What are you basing this clown take on?
This is benefit in the room with us right now?
All I see is increasingly improvised and indebted population, working longer hours, getting less benefits... people are not forming families. People can't afford rent.
Now show me this benefit you are talking about, dear!
Debt slavery which solid part of millennials is currently suffering.
cute
Not every job requires a college degree, but since we have made it available to anyone with a pulse, employers are pushing for them even when they provide no value. I have seen a stupid job posting for a master's degree for a 20-an-hour job. The degree isn't required for a license or some other practical reason.
Who is this "we"? Are you owner of a company? Because I am not, I made not such decisions. Did you you?
Employers start pushing for this shit starting 40 years ago and people respond as manufacturing jobs go eroded. so THEY made it a requirement for secretary needing an English major... trying getting that job with out a BA lol
We, as in the collective America. We voted for the people who decided to make loans available to everyone.
Americans have marginal impact on any policy fed government pushes.
Colleges collude with industry to create debt slaves here though
If we’re talking about altering society on a mass scale, you’re damned right I care about measurable outcomes.
I value freedom. I value economic consent. If you’re going to use centralized power to forcibly trade me something else for a loss of those two, the the other thing needs to be measurable.
You were characterizing what I value, as a conservative. I’m agreeing; I’m not interested in “qualitative benefits”, that are not also quantifiable. Use of government power to alter the world must be justified with measurable metrics.
That is the problem—too many unqualified people in the pipeline.
The problem is that there are not enough well paying jobs to support this "educated" population esp with a ton of debt.
agreed.
China created a booming solar industry by subsidizing it heavily. We can do that too with other industries, and the subsidy can come in the form of trades education.
Obama subsidized solar too... What do we have to show for it?
Again, why should impoverished taxpayer subsidize the capex of property owner? In free entperise and private capitalist society why is we paying here?
No, we poured tons of government money into making college accessible. I went to college on loans designed for that purpose.
We valued college and we backed the notion with hard cash. Well, with forced loans.
It drove the price of college through the roof though. Just like housing, just like medicine, just like all the other things we provide government money to help people get.
It’s a consistent pattern. People don’t trust the free market, something is deemed too important to let the market handle, so we pump government money into purchasing assistance and, predictably to anyone who’s taken macroeconomics 101, the prices of those things skyrocket and the availability drops.
Why shouldn’t we have both?
While I am not a conservative, I may agree with you strongly on education. College degrees are massively overinflated in value and propped up by government-backed student debt. We need to get away from this idea that everyone needs to go to college to secure their best life because we critically need these trade skills in the economy, in conjunction with policies that support these workers with fair compensation for their high technical skill.
This system we have today cannot possibly be sustainable.
I know people with master's degrees who work in construction. They could have saved a lot of time and money by entering construction from the start.
There is nothing wrong with a trade. Most of my family works in a trade.
I think the problem is people have focused on college degrees as being magical, and people rush to get them without thinking how they will benefit them or make them employable.
Plumbers, electricians, and carpenters all make good money.
If we every want to grow out middle class, that is how we do it.
Personally I'd prefer if we didn't have to hyperfocus on one specific skill, where demand could suddenly dry up at any moment for any number of reasons, to have to support ourselves.
A huge factor in our stagnation is that we promise people stability if they do this one thing... then we have to cater to that one thing for the next fifty years because they now have no other way to support themselves. So we keep pandering to coal miners and corn growers and whatever else.
Education should not be tied this closely with economy. It should be about growing and expanding our horizons, our ability to better understand the world around us and the people around us. Not about how best to be stuck in the same career for the next 50+ years.
Union jobs are typically not good paying. They pay better than entry level fast food for sure. They on paper seem to pay than non-union jobs in the same industry, but that is often an illusion - often there is weird fine print and so your yearly take home pay is about the same either way. However the elephant in the room is there are many many jobs in Engineering, medicine and the like pay much better.