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What are you trying to communicate or understand about someone when they say they are a woman? Will your answer change if you remember that your mom is included in that definition?
I'm not trying to communicate or understand anything in particular when someone says they're a woman.
Then what's the point of using the word woman at all?
Because it is a useful descriptor.
What is it describing? Can you be more specific?
It may be describing the appearance of someone.
What specifically about their appearance tells you they are a woman? You've said it's a useful descriptor. What about their appearance does 'woman' describe? You're the one claiming "woman" is a descriptor. How so? Support your claim with specific examples.
Ps aren't you embarrassed trying to weasel out of saying your actual opinion? Like I have transparently asked, we both know there are visual cues you're using to define woman. The reason I'm guessing you refuse to list them, is that we know I can find a woman who doesn't fit that mold and would still be defined by society as a woman. You're a coward afraid of losing and intellectually dishonest.
This is very frustrating. You're accusing me of being disingenuous but I'm not.
In any case, I'm really going to have to just ask you to infer how I evaluate how I evaluate which of those three people is a woman, and which is a man.
Let's just roll with it and see how it goes.
One physical trait is the hairstyle.
Okay, what hairstyle is exclusive only to women and not accessible to men? Was Sinead O'Conner a woman?
I never made the claim the hairstyle was exclusive to women only.
Then calling someone a woman must not be a way to describe hairstyle. What is woman a descriptor of then?
As I said before, it's not just one thing, its a culmination of things. Hairstyle is just one thing.
Yeah, it's a culmination of your experiences and impressions. It's entirely subjective to you. That's why you can't project it onto other women and force them to follow your definition of woman. Everyone grows up in different spaces with different histories.
Yes. But when I say "woman", it fits the definition of "woman" virtually everyone else agrees with.
What definition is that? You can't even say what it is. How could we know if anyone else agrees with your definition if you don't have one? Can you read minds?
Also, again, a ton of examples of huge groups of people who don't believe in a gender binary. Including throughout time and in many cultures.
Last, can't you see how Trump saying "everyone says we have the biggest crowds," I'd the same narcissistic excuse you're using to arbitrarily force gender on to others?
The second one, of my two definition, which I stated right up the top