chapotraphouse

For myself I would have to argue that at least for us, Australia and....maybe a few others that aren't currently coming to me right now, at least we gave the indigenous population citizenship and full equal rights (theoretically); some random redneck moron for example can't just waltz up to a native American and murder them and then take their house/demolish their house; if they tried that then the next day at least a whole bunch of leftists will burn that person's home to the ground with them in it.

Obviously a monstrous amount of evil has been done to the indigenous population and frankly nothing short of will ever make up for it (and I'm talking about evil not only prior to them getting citizenship, but also after it), but at least today the mass slaughter and expulsions are over, and they've been over for an extremely long time.

Should white people pack up and go back to Europe? Ideally yes, but nothing short of an unprecedented, powerful new colonizing force (or unprecedented decolonizing force) is going to be able to pull that off; the native American nations have been given the short end of the stick absolutely; I won't pretend we've been fair to native Americans at all, but Gazans (and Palestinians in general) are still treated as this terrifying uncompromising force by Isn'traelis (which is ironic because Palestinians have been leagues more prepared to compromise given a ridiculously unfair situation than Isn'traelis ever were). I've read what Isn'traelis think, and I've seen how they're portrayed by some of their politicians (who by the way were former terrorists) like pirate captain Moshe Dayan who keep promising the zionist population that the people in places like Gaza are always waiting for an opportune moment to strike and kill them all. Isn'traelis also justify the killing of children by reasoning that once they're older they'll just be terrorists, which also makes me wonder if perhaps they view the entire adult population as terrorists.

Ridiculously the easiest solution to Isn'trael that I wholeheartedly believe even the Arab world would've accepted (I don't mean the governments, I mean the people) is that had the Palestinian population been granted full citizenship and equal rights (no matter how theoretically), they may have started with a grudging acceptance of Israel and then finally a full acceptance. History is full of muslim nations and christian nations invading one another without slaughtering the entire population of the nations they invaded, and I'm assuming they came to some middle ground after a time. I'm reminded of a bizarre story of a muslim area that was invaded by the crusaders (at least the Frankish) where the Frank in the story was on a first name basis with the shop owner (the bizarreness was in another aspect of the story and I'm not mentioning it unless people really want to know; it's really genuinely bizarre).

Of course Israel was born during a time of extremely violent nationalism and seems to have been frozen in time; adverts from South Africa prior to the end of apartheid also looked just as grim.

We haven't been good to the native American population (and it's impossible to be; we're colonizers, by the very nature of colonization it's impossible to be kind to your victims; kindness would have us leaving America back to Europe and engaging in reparations we could never hope to complete), and the least we've done still isn't good enough, but if the least we did for the native Americans was granted to the Palestinian people, every person involved in it would be getting a Nobel peace prize.