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[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

I have a slightly different perspective as someone just starting Rise as my first ever experience with this series.

Holy shit, the tutorials are terrible. Massive info dump walls of text explaining too many systems at once, cryptic warning messages to confirm you want to dismiss the tutorials are extra confusing... And despite the massive info dumping, they don't even tell you everything you need to know to complete the tutorial missions as you complete them. When you go to trap your first monster, there's no tooltip to teach you how to use items in the "how to trap" explanation or NPC dialogue. I needed to google it.

And no ability to pause in a singleplayer game? I googled some explanation about pause being on one of the menus, but I couldn't find it. Thankfully, suspending the game on a Steam Deck pauses it, so it's playable.

Also, why was I given massively OP equipment and piles of loot just for logging in? The entire early game is now so easy that it's not fun. I'm only 3 tutorials + 1 "real" mission into the game, so I'm going to try starting over without the EZ-mode loot and give it a second chance, but so far, I'm not impressed.

If I'd bought this through Steam, I'd have refunded it already before the 2-hour playtime window closed.

TL;DR: Terrible new-player onboarding has me questioning if I should push through.

[–] Strykker@programming.dev 7 points 3 months ago

For the ez mode loot it's to allow players to get to the expansion content quickly if they want to, otherwise yeah just don't touch the initial high powered loot you got gifted.

[–] all-knight-party@fedia.io 4 points 3 months ago

It's really the kind of game that either requires a significant in-game tutorial and very long ramp up (and you're right, even with all the info in the current tutorial it's not all inclusive) or it requires someone to bounce questions off of, which is the far superior way to learn, even though it's far less accessible.

Once you've learned it, though, I actually don't think it's all that complicated, it's just such its own beast that someone coming from nothing would have a hard time wrapping their head around the whole loop and all of the systems, but once you do one time it's like riding a bike.

The pause menu in Rise is if you press start, it's the bottom option on one of the menu tabs, it'll only show mid mission, so trying to find it in the village is pointless. But if you found a workaround that works too.

Also, yes, the free game breaking gear with no clear indicators is fucking stupid. I understand why it exists, but it trivializes the experience for so many new players due to the way its implemented that I think it should never have been created. I get wanting to get to end game fast if you've done it before, but the consequences are absurd.

[–] Blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, I'm hoping they finally figure out the tutorial balance in Wilds. Earlier games had next to nothing for tutorials, and you pretty much had to look outside the game to even understand the basic movesets of the weapons, much less how things like skills work. I think they overcorrected with the recent ones though, it'd be nice if they could get a little better about introducing information in the world instead of constantly stopping the action to make sure the player sees it.

But yeah, absolutely do not use the OP armor, you'll only ruin your fun and then have a really hard time once you get to the real fights. The main reason to use it would be to power through low rank if you've done it on another platform or something.