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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (17 children)

Almost half the country is right wing and the electoral college gives their votes much more weight. That's just a fact. That means you can't win a national election without tacking toward their views in some areas, mainly the areas of concern to those in the swing states that will decide the election. You can't win by pleasing only your own base. Until we either abolish the electoral college and move to popular vote, or liberals/left wing/whatever you want to call it, reach a majority of the population substantial enough to overcome the electoral college.

Neither of those things looks likely to happen anytime soon, so the only option is to deal with our current reality and develop a strategy to win under these circumstances, but at the same time we should also be working to create a movement to amend the constitution to decide national elections by popular vote.

edit to change "half" to "almost half"--gotta recognize there are some more in the middle.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 30 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Almost half the country is right wing

Where are you getting that stat?

Of voters, almost half are registered or leaning Republicans.

In 2020, only 22% of the country voted for trump, the most right wing 2 party candidate in the modern era.

When you ask about specific policies that are seen as left or right wing, left wing policies poll much higher than dem votes at elections.

The reason Democrat leadership keeps tacking right has less to do with Americans and more to do with money and support from key centers of power. Dems stay right because US aristocrats and large interests skew righter than Americans. The money would dry up if their policies matched what Americans want.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

per 538, the last two polls of "adults" (not likely voters or registered voters) showed trump support around 40%. And Harris' lead in those polls is basically the same as with likely voters and registered voters, around +3-4.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/?ex_cid=abcpromo

edit:

Also this gallup poll says 30% of people identify as Republican, and 40% as independent, with 46% of independents leaning Republican. So "almost half" as the top comment said.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/Party-Affiliation.aspx

edit 2: for whoever downvoted, I would love to hear why. the person above asked for a source that says "Almost half the country is right wing", and I provided multiple. if you have better evidence to the contrary let's see it.

[–] Krono 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your data does not logically lead to your conclusion, because the polls cited naturally bifurcated the responses into two (or three) camps.

It's like if I did a poll asking: "what is your favorite color, purple or yellow?" and then said this proves that 50% of respondents' favorite color is purple. We are discounting the opinions of orange and green lovers.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Your data does not logically lead to your conclusion, because the polls cited naturally bifurcated the responses into two (or three) camps.

are you denying that trump supporters would identify as “ conservative“? Also "undecided" is certainly a catch-all option for people who don't want to vote for Trump or Harris.

It’s like if I did a poll asking: “what is your favorite color, purple or yellow?” and then said this proves that 50% of respondents’ favorite color is purple. We are discounting the opinions of orange and green lovers.

sorry but that's an awful analogy, color preference does not follow a rough spectrum as political ideology does. And again, in your analogy, the orange and green lovers could have chosen undecided.

If you have better data, by all means show it. The polls I linked are certainly more accurate than the person above citing the 2020 election and that only 22% of the US voted for Trump. That is a wildly misleading representation of US demographics.

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