Welcome to politcal memes!
These are our rules:
Be civil
Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.
No misinformation
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.
Posts should be memes
Random pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.
No bots, spam or self-promotion
Follow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.
Also, in b4 fascists start pretending like the Stalinist bootlicker Thalmann hadn't spent the past half-decade backstabbing and burning bridges with the SPD, which had previously been cooperative with the KPD after the establishment of the Weimar Republic.
Collapse theory is fundamentally a privileged take. It is a position that is impossible to accept without either the assumption that you'd survive, or the assumption that the disproportionate harm to the disadvantaged is worth it for your end goals even if you die too.
Either way, you're declaring that your paradise can and should be built over the bodies of the disemprivileged, and are automatically wrong and a horrible person for even being able to think that way.
You are the exact kind of monster that built the colonialist model of Israel, just insisting that your nation built on the bodies of the innocent will be a more moral one somehow.
It's definitely a white-male-privileged take in the US.
It also just doesn't make sense from a logistics sense -- You want to address the current set of big problems by ... creating more big problems to address with the same/less resources and organizations? Some that are more time sensitive than others?
Right. There's already a shitload of big problems.
What is this "collapse theory"? I'd like to learn more, but Google is only providing me links about quantum waves.
I think the usual term is Accelerationism?
it's the idea that we should accelerate the collapse of society so "our" preferred system can replace it. Doesn't matter who the "our" encompasses.
Do you have any readings you'd suggest? I sort of came to the conclusion that these ideas don't work on my own, but I still find it tempting to throw up my hands because they're all corrupt and playing for the same team.
Wonderful comment. I’ve been thinking similarly for a while. Nice too see it put out there.
Excellent take. It is a clear indicator of an individualist mindset.
I did a double take to see if this was my comment from like 6 months ago, but you do words more good than me
Honestly, the appeal of accelerationism to me is that it pretty much just requires me to give up.
I don't think i'm the only one with a looming anxiety that capitalists are too entrenched to be defeated, that i can't stop the ongoing collapse of society; well if i believe in accelerationism, then i don't have to, the collapse becomes desireable if i can convince myself that a better world will emerge on the other side. It's faster and easier to let society destroy itself than it is to built.
While my privilege is undeniable, subjectively, my emotional experience of accelerationism is one of giving up and relaxing. Which, you know, would feel nice sometimes.
So i know at least one source of accelerationist sentiment is rooted in fatigue and impatience, i know that because it's the one i experience. The answer is an ongoing realization that progress is incremental.
You realize your life would be worse if society collapsed and then be vastly more stressful, right?
Yes.
Maybe i should rewrite the above, i meant it as a self-critical observation of why i give into a lazy and narrow-minded worldview. I thought it was clear everything i wrote is the opposite of an endorsement