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J.D. Vance seemingly admitted that he and Donald Trump have been spreading racist lies about Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio. 

During an interview Sunday with CNN’s Dana Bash, Vance flailed as he attempted to downplay his ticket’s role in spreading completely discredited rumors that Haitian immigrants in Springfield were eating their neighbors’ cats and dogs. With Vance and Trump’s help, the cartoonishly racist lies made their way to the national stage, fueling right-wing hysterics and resulting in multiple bombthreats in the city of Springfield.


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[–] alexc@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Politicians stock-in-trade is information. This is their work product.

I am a software developer. If I turn in software that doesn’t work. I get fired.

JD Vance, and all other politicians who lie should also be fired for not doing their jobs.

This is the world I want to live in.

[–] Krono 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Politicians work product is not information, it is legislation.

"Politician that never lies" is like "Developer that never writes bugs". I want to live in that world too, but it is a fantasy world.

[–] alexc@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Except bugs are usually unintentional and, with a good team, found and fixed before they cause any harm - usually before they’re public.

The equivalence would be non-political fact checkers and public apologies and/or policy changes. The media has given up on the first (for the most part) possibly becase politicians just ignore the second.

[–] Krono 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think a lot of this comes down to the semantics of "intention".

I intended to write line 152 exactly as written. I intended to write code that compiles. But that pesky compiler imposes reality on me when it says "bug on line 152". Did I intend to write the bug?

Similarly, a politician may make a public promise on the campaign trail. They may truly intend to fulfill that promise, but political reality stops them when they are elected. There are hundreds of possible reasons for failure: poor planning and naivety, lack of political capital, or even accepting a lobbyist's bribe. Which of these cases should be considered lies?

[–] alexc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Good point. But, while a dev says “My bad” and fixes the bug, a politician just shrugs and often doubles down.

At the very least, the Dev will explain to the team why a bug happened so that others don’t repeat the mistake, but a politician won’t address any of the three scenarios you identified.

I fear this metaphor is stretching to breaking point, but the central point remains that it should not be acceptable for a politician to lie, yet somehow here we are…

[–] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Lies are intentional though, so it's more like writing bugs on purpose.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Agreed. There's a huge gap between making a statement ignorant of all the facts, jumping the gun while making assumptions, and straight up lying.

Rs were confronted almost immediately with truth and corrections and they straight up lied just to cause drama. stirring up thier brainless followers and other racists to react.

There's manslaughter.
Then there's premeditated murder.

[–] velxundussa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Heh, now the parralel in my mind is developpers that put in microtransactions or force a subsribtion model with no option to buy.