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Welcome to c/vegan@lemmy.world. Broadly, this community is a place to discuss veganism. Discussion on intersectional topics related to the animal rights movement are also encouraged.
What is Veganism?
'Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals ...'
— abridged definition from The Vegan Society
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Resources on Veganism
A compilation of many vegan resources/sites in a Google spreadsheet:
Here are some documentaries that are recommended to watch if planning to or have recently become vegan:
- You Will Never Look at Your Life in the Same Way Again
- Dominion (2018) (CW: gore, animal abuse)
Vegan Fediverse
Lemmy: vegantheoryclub.org
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the barest definition of "exploit" is "use". using animal products is the exact thing vegans don't do.
I'd argue it's vegan to use animal products if and only if the animal has died through no means of your own and you are not indirectly causing more exploitation.
Second hand leather is not vegan because you indirectly support the leather industry by fueling demand for leather. Someone may be more inclined to purchase something made of leather if they know they can resell it at a later date (like a leather sofa).
However, I'd argue eating roadkill you accidentally killed yourself would qualify as vegan since there are no moral issues with that - consuming it doesn't fuel the demand for animal exploitation. Additionally, it causes you to consume less food produced through industrial agriculture (which is not sustainable in its current form), making kt better for the environment.
For me, exploitation := intentionally harming an animal as a means to an end
your personal definition is not widely used enough to make it into a lexicon.
I am not sure about exact definitions.
But afaik vegans dont finance or encourage animal "use". Like buying, buying for a lower price, eating in front of other people thus normalizing it etc.
This doesnt apply at all in this case. There are no people (well, anymore) killing others to get medicinal corpses. So you dont normalize anything and you also dont fuel any market.
I mean, we have laws for that. On a free market this could increase the demand and people could start killing people to sell them.
nor participate
If you participate, you encourage.
so you can see that it is not vegan
Did you read my comment? (The one above)
yea. it seems like you are holding two contradictory ideas at once. I hope you can resolve that
Mind to elaborate?
This is the definition I always use concerning veganism. As soon as we get a benefit from something, we become biased. We lie to ourselves. Every vegan here can remember a whole lifetime of lying to ourselves. If someone still trusts themself to distinguish which forms of exploitation are "beneficial" to the animal being exploited, they haven't learned a damn thing yet.
we can agree on some things!
Sorry, I don't recognize you
we are not friends
I suspect you are aware that does nothing to narrow it down. It's okay, I still love you.
what I meant is that I don't expect you to remember me: we are not friends
I would say exploit is getting a benefit from someone without giving anything back.
This is a corpse, it doesnt feel, you cant give it anything. As far as we know.
You can bury it but this is really just a concern of the relatives etc.
It's also just living people that care about what happens with their body. My guess: this is a egoistic response, which is understandable, but makes no sense when you are dead.
Simply because we cannot imagine how it is to be dead.
That would be a point against opt-in.