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“Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. After parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016 she’s at it again,” DNC spokesman Matt Corridoni said in a statement to The Bulwark. “Jill Stein won’t become president, but her spoiler candidacy—that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest in—can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.”

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Israel is the #8 arms dealer in the world. You can't cut off someone who is producing their own weapons.

https://www.statista.com/chart/17316/share-of-global-arms-exports-by-country/

They don't need our support which is why they're completely ignoring our demands.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 months ago

They don't produce the weapons they buy from us. Eventually they could stand up domestic production, but it would absolutely impact the current war. Israelis themselves have said that. You're just making up excuses the actual people involved don't make.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They don’t need our support which is why they’re completely ignoring our demands.

Then why not withdraw our support? They can "dEfEnD tHeMsElVeS" without our help.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because if we withdraw our support, they would get immediately attacked by Iran, and there would be chaos in US politics. Harris would lose the election, and Trump would be installed.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because if we withdraw our support, they would get immediately attacked by Iran, and there would be chaos in US politics

We weren't selling them weapons for genocide before October 7. We can withhold weapons without withholding overall support. And Israel has nukes while Iran doesn't. Iran wasn't invading them before we started selling them weapons for genocide.

I love how Israel can take care of themselves so there's no point in stopping weapons sales, but they can't take care of themselves so we have to keep selling them weapons.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We have given Israel over $300 billion in weapons and support since their creation. It's not going to stop.

https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We have given Israel over $300 billion in weapons and support since their creation. It’s not going to stop.

The sunk cost fallacy is no reason to continue furnishing supplies for an ongoing genocide.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I agree it's no reason to continue and they should have been cut off decades ago, but that doesn't mean it's going to stop.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

It's still completely fair to call what Democrats are doing supporting genocide. They know it's a genocide, they know the weapons will be used for genocide, and they supply them anyway. The Leahy Law exists for this exact reason, and they're ignoring it.

[–] Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 months ago

I'd imagine that having no allies in the Middle East isn't a strategically sound plan. If Israel is going to do their thing anyway and can arm themselves we gain nothing by rebuke. The only way we could enact real change would be to threaten or attack our only ally in the region which is self-defeating and doesn't solve the problem.