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[–] SelfProgrammed@lemmy.world 114 points 1 month ago (5 children)

To Democrats, "elites" mean your in some top percentile of wealth and income. To Republicans, "elites" means having a college degree.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is the correct answer to the question the Guardian poses. I've lived among them and can 100% confirm this is how they think.

Elites is all about having a college degree and being "book smart" vs their "street smart" or "wise in the ways of man" sort of bullshit charlatans throughout history have used to make up for a lack of critical thinking skills.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It really is the right answer. But I think we can sharpen it if we look at how the media around Democrats elevates and highlights elitism as a quality to be pursued, for example, in a candidate.

A great example of this was the treatment of Pete Buttigieg, and specific media outlets elevation of him to a nationally relevant political actor. Harvard, then Oxford Rhodes scholar then a decade long McKinseyite (that alone should have disbarred him from running for president), then intelligence officer US Navy. He was the definition of "qualified" to the CNN and NPR editorial boards.

But how well had only political bonafides were a failed run for treasurer in Indiana, and a mayoral victory where he garnered all of 10k votes. So the guy has never actually won any significant state or federal elections. Yet in 2020, suddenly this guys is gets treated like a serious contender in the Democratic primary. Why?

Democratically aligned corporate press is obsessed with credentials, and specifically, the kind that comes from "elite" schools and organizations. Partially because they themselves also come from these elite schools and organizations.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 6 points 1 month ago

We really have become addicted to certifications and tags and qualifiers for everyone because it's easier to "understand" them at a glance and that's decided as all you need.

On paper is good enough for far to many, it's just easier to categorize people and move on.

Being in your categories is the easiest way to automatically think of then as moral and good because they must be, you are. It's fucked up both parties. Look at Eric Adams and Marco Rubio.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Very true. The Dems could really stand for more blue collar qualifications. Especially if we treated “local union president” half as well as “McKinsey employee”

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So they basically turned anti elitism to anti intellectualism so they can fool their audience.

I mean, I thought we all knew that.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I wonder what kind of people ran on anti-intellectualism in the past? Maybe around the time of UdSSR, or some German leader? Maybe some famous leader in Cambodia as well?

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yep, my comment was more about how this is kind of a tail as old as time thing.

Basically mob mentality.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It means the nerds you shoved in lockers who learned to read and now have successful lives while you scrape by trying to make alimony at a job that would pay a living wage if you didn't live in a right to work state.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

See that’s the elitism. Plenty of bullies made it out and plenty of their victims didn’t. Ruthlessness is profitable and you don’t have to be a good person to go to college.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How exactly is that elitism? You're specifically arguing against the meritocracy that they consider elitism, all that fancy book-learnin.

Their mascot shits on a golden toilet in his own private country club ffs.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You’re assuming everyone stuck in rural America in a shit job with grievances is a shit person who did it to themselves. A lot of them are, especially the die hard republicans, but plenty had hard choices, or any number of other decent reasons beyond just not being smart or something.

And yeah their mascot is a filthy rich asshole, and a lot of them do suck ass. But also I spend enough time with those people to know plenty of them aren’t terrible but they are sick and tired of being treated like inherently morons for being rural

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I get that, but I was that nerd shoved in lockers, and while the Midwest was decent, in the south it was far worse because I wasn't white.

The south tolerated those assholes a lot, and they were extremely ignorant, and their ignorance was a source of pride for them.

I don't want to demean the Midwestern red staters in any way, other than they clearly follow the wrong person, but the south is following moloch, their literal antichrist, out of hatred of others, and I'm fine holding them in contempt for that because it's no better than I would expect for them.

Also, they scream and scream about a Bible they've never read, and I say that as someone who went to catholic school, they thought I was lying like I said I memorized the phone book.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's not what (((elites))) mean to Republicans.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

A lot of times they amp up the dog whistle and say (((global elites))).