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I've seen too much of this. No, the nazis and the Soviets were not equivalent.

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[–] CommieAVGN@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (54 children)

Ah, the "double genocide" theorists. What a delightful bunch of historical revisionists. It's like they took a drunken joyride through the annals of history and crashed straight into the "Bad Takes" tree. Comparing the Soviet Union to the Nazis? Might as well compare a stubbed toe to a decapitation.

And you can bet your ass that most of these armchair historians haven’t even read a book on the topic. It's all surface-level, cherry-picked facts with more holes than a block of Swiss cheese. It's historical interpretation with the depth of a kiddie pool. Dive in, and you're gonna crack your head open.

Honestly, it’s a disservice to the real complexities of history. But nuance, for these folks, seems to be a concept as elusive as a unicorn riding a Bigfoot. The actual victims, the real-life people affected by these events, deserve better than to be pawns in someone’s misguided, edgy take on history.

So, to those pushing the "double genocide" theory: Maybe spend less time trying to stir the pot with wild equivalences and more time, I dunno, actually understanding the depth and breadth of historical events. And for the love of God, please get some new reading glasses, because your perspective is blurrier than a foggy window smeared with bullshit.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (42 children)

Just so long as the depth and breadth doesn’t obscure the basic facts:

  • The Nazi government consciously decided to exterminate about 12 million people, in an attempt at ~~ethnic cleansing~~ genocide based on race
  • The Soviet Union’s government consciously decided to exterminate about 1.6 million people, in an attempt at political cleansing
  • The Soviet Union also, through gross ineptitude, starved an additional 3.5 - 5.0 million people

Do you agree that these things happened?

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

How are these comparable?

  1. Mass genocide

  2. A civil war

  3. Famine in a region prone to regular famines for centuries (the last famine the region ever had I might add)

If we're comparing large numbers of deaths here we should throw the British Empire's record and the US Empire's record alongside them. The British Empire probably has both beat with the India famine alone, the US genocide of native americans is estimated at over 100million. We're accepting those as products of their time though? Why? Why are we comparing only the soviets to the nazis and not them?

Nobody is going to disagree that those happened here. But the framing you're doing is fucked.

[–] DoubleShot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(Just a clarification comrade - and I could be wrong, I’m doing this from memory - but I think the 100 million number is genocide across all of the western hemisphere from 1492. The figure I’ve seen for just what was contained the present USA is around 10 million. Doesn’t make it any less evil of course, death to America, but just wanted to clarify that for posterity)

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

100 million is the number including diseases brought over and spreading mostly on their own.

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