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[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

She's calling for a two state "solution" though. I guess this could be considered her hiding her power levels, on account of the US being right above her. Still sucks though

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully someone with a better understanding will chime in if I'm at all off here, but from the standpoint of entities who are working on a larger scale, I believe the argument goes something like that a two state solution is incompatible with israel's settler extermination goals, while also benefiting Palestine and Palestinian people vs. their current situation, and so sometimes it makes more sense as the position to take, even if it seems weaker on the surface than it is; because it is simultaneously the more diplomatic and peaceful position, while also being one that materially runs counter to what israel is about. For israel to truly embrace peace and accept the sovereignty and self determination of those they have dehumanized and targeted for extermination for decades implies losing the point of being out there in the first place, it implies having to give up on their ingrained culture of superiority and entitlement, it implies facing accountability on a large scale system level for what they have done in order to make the peace stick.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I honestly think that in order to reach a "1 state solution" they have to go through the 2 state solution. Israel as its currently exists cannot coexist with arabs and, thanks to israel barbarism, arabs cannot tolerate israelis. They need decades of goodwill to amend the decades of barbarism, obviously the new Israel state has to be fundamentally different than the current Israel otherwise no progress will be made.

[–] GlueBear@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Algeria liberated itself from France without the need for a "2-state" solution. Haiti, India, China, Lebanon, Syria, and many other nations have freed themselves from colonialism, without the need for a less than useless "2-state solution."

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

completely different cases, in those cases the settlers were minorities. in Israel settlers have grown to be a majority, and thus the 1 state solution is not possible. genocide, unfortunately, works.

[–] GlueBear@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

?

Majority in a region with ~200M Arabs?

What? That's like saying you can occupy Chihuahua because there will be more Americans than natives.

Sure, if you completely disregard the existence of the rest of Mexico.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

of course they can occupy Chihuaha if they kill enough natives, you don't have to make up an hypothetical scenario it already happened in TEXAS. Or you know, literally all settler states.

[–] GlueBear@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago

"If they kill enough natives"

You mean if they kill enough that the settlers outnumber the natives?

The fact that still Mexico exists is testament to the fact that you can't kill everyone. Someone will be there to fight the settlers.

[–] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 months ago

Many Israelis feared and continue to fear a two-state solution because the Palestine "territories" wouldn't be crushed and could self-govern. That would terrify the "Israelis" that the nation needs the most to thrive economically: the tech sector, the university professors, the doctors, lawyers, judges, engineers, diplomats, etc. both keep the economy going, are also the ones who have the easiest pathway to flee. People tend to forget that the reason that Ian Smith's White Minority Rule coalition lost in the elections was not because the white Rhodesians all of a sudden grew a heart and decided to help liberate the poor oppressed black Zimbabweans, but because the African Bush War had decimated Rhodesia's economy due to a massive brain drain. All of these people left and the average white Rhodesian hated black people but was willing to vote for anything to stop the bleeding. If anything farmers refused to give up the racist fight even after the whites in government had agreed to end the white minority rule, these farmers told the new government that the natives would have control of their farms "over my dead body!" and they obliged.