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[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully someone with a better understanding will chime in if I'm at all off here, but from the standpoint of entities who are working on a larger scale, I believe the argument goes something like that a two state solution is incompatible with israel's settler extermination goals, while also benefiting Palestine and Palestinian people vs. their current situation, and so sometimes it makes more sense as the position to take, even if it seems weaker on the surface than it is; because it is simultaneously the more diplomatic and peaceful position, while also being one that materially runs counter to what israel is about. For israel to truly embrace peace and accept the sovereignty and self determination of those they have dehumanized and targeted for extermination for decades implies losing the point of being out there in the first place, it implies having to give up on their ingrained culture of superiority and entitlement, it implies facing accountability on a large scale system level for what they have done in order to make the peace stick.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I honestly think that in order to reach a "1 state solution" they have to go through the 2 state solution. Israel as its currently exists cannot coexist with arabs and, thanks to israel barbarism, arabs cannot tolerate israelis. They need decades of goodwill to amend the decades of barbarism, obviously the new Israel state has to be fundamentally different than the current Israel otherwise no progress will be made.

[–] GlueBear@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Algeria liberated itself from France without the need for a "2-state" solution. Haiti, India, China, Lebanon, Syria, and many other nations have freed themselves from colonialism, without the need for a less than useless "2-state solution."

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

completely different cases, in those cases the settlers were minorities. in Israel settlers have grown to be a majority, and thus the 1 state solution is not possible. genocide, unfortunately, works.

[–] GlueBear@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

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Majority in a region with ~200M Arabs?

What? That's like saying you can occupy Chihuahua because there will be more Americans than natives.

Sure, if you completely disregard the existence of the rest of Mexico.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

of course they can occupy Chihuaha if they kill enough natives, you don't have to make up an hypothetical scenario it already happened in TEXAS. Or you know, literally all settler states.

[–] GlueBear@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago

"If they kill enough natives"

You mean if they kill enough that the settlers outnumber the natives?

The fact that still Mexico exists is testament to the fact that you can't kill everyone. Someone will be there to fight the settlers.