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Holy shit these comments...
Guys, I think you have over-saturated your target forum. Too many on the same site, you gotta tell the higher ups to spread it around more so it's not so obvious.
Edit: Just for folks who may not understand: Harris has to walk a fine rhetorical line before the election. The reality is, if she comes out strongly about Israel/Palestine in any way whatsoever, she will lose. People here can't seem to grasp this fact. Maybe they don't live in the US and understand the political/social climate here? Or perhaps they're just too young?
She will lose, and Trump will give Netanyahu carte blanche to expand his ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.
I wish I knew how Harris actually feels about the situation, and I believe her reticence to support Israel in the way Biden has is a good sign. But no, I wish I knew what she's going to do; all I know is that it's far better than the only other possible alternative. Anyone who's gonna say 'der how you know that,' is disingenuous as fuck. You know why. I'm not going to explain that shit again.
Except Harris has come out with a strong stance. Ironclad support for Israel.
The issue is that people fundamentally don't understand what power they actually have in this election. People are tired of a two-party dichotomy, and that is understandable, but the assignment in three weeks is to decide between Kamala Harris or Donald Trump. One of those two people will become president for the next 4 years. There are no alternatives, even if there are technically other parties on the ballot, if you are actually hoping to influence the results of the election in your favor, you absolutely need to choose between one of the two ruling parties.
A growing number of leftists have decided that, even in the absence of any election reform that would actually break the two-party system, they want to protest against it, either by voting for inviable third party spoilers, or not voting at all.
All I can see is that people are either so stupid, they don't understand the assignment, or they are so stupid they can't figure out whether Trump or Harris is the lesser evil. Either way, anyone vocally demanding that people don't for Harris is either stupid (if they consider themselves on the left), or evil (if they are actually rooting for Trump).
Yeah, what would even a 0.5% likely landslide victory for the left look like? 10% of the votes? 12%? All of them taken from Harris. Effect: Trump win, bad times for everyone not a reactionary white man.
People who advocate for that are either Russians, dumb, or desperate.
No, leftists want to apply pressure on the candidate most likely to listen to them, to stop supporting a genocide. And then liberals try to undermine that pressure by doing the same old song and dance they always do that has consistently pushed worldwide rhetoric to the right. And then they somehow can’t fathom why this irritates people.
I understand your point and I agree that harris is in a tough situation figuring biden supports the genocide. However I actually think your take on her needing to walk the line is wrong. Polling actually shows a shift even with dems messaging against Palestine and pretending it all started on Oct 7th. Additionally, if she argued for stopping weapons transfers of offensive weapons, this would also be popular among Americans, a plurality of which support a ceasefire. Just adding context to say that Harris is not pro-palestinian and them banning Palestinians from the DNC has highlighted this. To specify, I will support harris this selection, but just because Trump is a fascist, not because she supports any solution to the conflict.
A plurality of Americans maybe, but I'm not sure about voting Democrats. There are a lot of people on the right who are against Israel for very different reasons and they are not going to vote for Harris. There are a lot of voting Democrats that would choose to sit out if she showed support for Palestine in any way. It's a sad reality, but it is true.
Do you really think the Biden administration is somehow preventing or limiting the ongoing genocide? Israel already have carte blanche. All i hear from Harris is empty words. Israel is already doing whatever they want, they're even firing on UN peacekeepers. Harris or Trump nothing is going to change. Israel will remain unpunished. Do you know how things can change? Pull the fucking plug. Turn your back on that nazi state, let them perish. Harris should focus on other problems because people with a functioning brain are not going to believe her bullshit. 40000 dead but their goal is to protect civilians but they sent 18B in military aid in one year. How can someone be fooled by that?
Yup, you're right. Better give the most powerful county in the world a fascist president. That will fix things. Biden has been naughty and must be spanked at any cost.
Nope, not what i said. On the Israel-Palestine issue Harris and Trump are the exact same. Harris should better focus on other issues bacause no one is going to be fooled by her words (hopefully).
You're a moron if you think that Trump and Harris are the same on Palestine, but fine, I'll play along.
Shouldn't you still overwhelmingly support Harris because of how awful Trump will be everywhere else, especially right here in the US?
The real moron is you thinking things will change under Harris. Sorry.
I'd rather have status quo than fascist dictatorship.
And this attitude is why your country is in danger of fascist dictatorship in the first place. Clown attitude.