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[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 82 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

I think the gap stems from need. Most people only learn what they absolutely need to. My sister and I are just 3 years apart in age. Yet I am pretty familiar with tech, while she knows next to nothing. I was always there to fix whatever broke. Even now she knows that if she needs to watch something, she can just ask me to add it to my Jellyfin server. I often have to remote into her system to fix stuff.

The Gen Z we're talking about here mostly grew up using phones, and phone OSes do their best to hide any complexity away from the user. So they never learnt anything. I'm also technically Gen Z (very early), but growing up in rural India, I had to teach myself how to pirate since streaming wasn't a thing yet (our internet was too slow for that anyway), and the local theater didn't play anything except local mainstream cinema.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 23 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Teaching college students, I agree that phones and 'need' are largely the culprit.

Loss of typing skill, trouble shooting skill, and file directory skill.

Better at cameras generally

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I also teach college students lol. People can't even figure out how to upload assignments from their phone. Had a student tell me that she broke her laptop, so can't submit an assignment even though it was already written. She was gonna scan it from her phone, airdrop to her laptop, and then upload the files to Canvas. I tried to explain that she can do it on the mobile app for Canvas instead. I eventually had to give up and asked her to drop it at my office. It literally felt like explaining stuff to my ma.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 hours ago

She was gonna scan it from her phone, airdrop to her laptop, and then upload the files to Canvas.

When you know how to use the entire toolbox, but only if you can use the entire toolbox...in order.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Congrats on making me want to pull my youngest from public school for a year or so, so I can teach her typing, scripting, the command line, etc ... (also, phonics) ... Blows my mind that TYPING as a late-elementary-school glass is basically gone in our school district, nor is it a class that's even available in middle or high-school.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Its definitely not all students and, in reality, I believe every generation has been deskilled to diff degrees. So, while these skills are noticeably worse with Gen z than it is with millennials, many young people I meet come to college with some or all of these skills.

So I think you could go with a less extreme intervention lol

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Why do you think "many" come to you with all of these skills? Home-schooling is more common than ever. Most homeschoolers we met were also restricted to older or no tech... Even no tech seems to be better than consumption focused devices.

Even no tech seems to be better than consumption focused devices.

It is far preferable to teach old relatives, who have never touched a computer, how to do basic things than it is to try to introduce a better or faster or freer way to those who have already been exposed to the officially ordained Microsoft or Apple way of doing things that should be simple.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 4 points 5 hours ago

I really doubt homeschooling has much to do with it. Some subset of every gen is good with tech.

The one homeschool kid Im working with this semester is terrified to use the telephone. Their entire experience in home school education was largely sitting in virtual classrooms

[–] bortsampson@hexbear.net 2 points 8 hours ago

also, phonics

Giving up on phonics was a horrible idea. I'm not sure whose to blame for that but it clearly was a disaster.

[–] RidgeDweller@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I agree with Chapo. Maybe you can teach these things in addition to what your kid learns at school? Might be a fun way to spend time together anyway.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 hours ago

That's how we handled it when we home-schooled the older three for a while. They ultimately asked to go back to regular school, but they had stayed ahead of their peers.

[–] __ghost__@lemmy.ml 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Jellyseerr is your friend. She can request whatever and you can get alerts to add it. Even if your stuff isn't automated

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I know about Jellyseerr, but I find it not worth it since there are very few people that send me requests. Messaging apps are enough for that.

[–] __ghost__@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 hours ago

Whatever works for you, simple is always better