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How bad do we all think things are likely going to get in the west/imperial cores? How quickly do we think the west's internal spiral to fascism is going to proceed? (hexbear.net)
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Saw this thread, and it really hit a chord with me, as these similar fears tend to constantly weigh on me (for various reasons- being trans, ethnic Chinese, commie, etc).

I think we all (leftists, but also just most minorities) know, shit is bad and will get worse, it's just a question of how bad it will get. People mention it offhand without usually going further into the details, and similarly in other spaces - non-leftist ones as well, for instance Asian diasporic and LGBT spaces in my experience, these fears come up, but ultimately we keep the bulk of our concerns to ourselves. What are our expectations here, for the west? Not just for the US, but the Anglosphere and Europe?

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[–] roux@hexbear.net 35 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The US is going to learn real fast what a reserve army of workers is and is also going to learn that when you starve them all to death, they aren't there when you need to people to print your treats.

I feel so scared for all marginalized groups of people for what the future looks like right now. I'm autistic and it looks bleak for us NDers but I fear more for the people of color and the queer communities. And yes, I'm in my doomer era right now.

I think it might be worth a lot of us looking for large plots of land that we have legal access too and learn to grow food and start communities that aren't reliant on western consumerism.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 32 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

I think it might be worth a lot of us looking for large plots of land that we have legal access too and learn to grow food and start communities that aren't reliant on western consumerism

We wouldn't last very long or live a healthy life without modern medicine, medical professionals, or equipment/facilities. Anprim stuff isn't gonna work

[–] roux@hexbear.net 19 points 4 weeks ago

Medical access is kind of important.

[–] Dickey_Butts@hexbear.net 9 points 4 weeks ago

Anprim stuff isn't gonna work

Good thing nobody is advocating for that. Having access to a food supply may leave you in a better position to barter for medicine.

[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 24 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I think it might be worth a lot of us looking for large plots of land that we have legal access too and learn to grow food and start communities that aren't reliant on western consumerism.

There's a comic called Lazarus set in a dystopian libertarian future where the families of various corporations rule basically new kingdom-states. It's pretty lib at times and I stopped reading ages ago.

But there's a plotline where a bunch of families bought a homestead together to try and escape the crushing system. But when once in a lifetime floods due to climate change threaten to destroy their land, they are forced to take out a predatory loan to hire machinery to protect their farm, but it doesn't arrive in time, so all their crops and possessions are lost, but they still have the crippling debt and are forced to walk away and become sort of lumpenproletariat known as "waste" (versus "serfs" who have longterm jobs with "families").

And I think that is kind of a potential fate for any small scale left wing commune in the future.