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Things in poor neighborhoods are done differently than in middle- and upper- class neighborhoods. People that grow up in poor neighborhoods develop behaviors, customs, and beliefs that are different from other neighborhoods because they are part of surviving in the struggle. When they move on up, some of those behaviors, customs, and beliefs are no longer necessary and can even be harmful (e.g. strong reactions to perceived attacks). Others may actually provide an advantage (e.g. living through power outages). Regardless, these changes can cause a sense of estrangement from their childhood and original culture, leading to some resistance. Given all that:

What did you change and what did you keep?

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[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

"the sticks" doesn't mean poor, it just means in the countryside (at least in the UK). On the estate(s) would be correct for us.

I didn't grow up particularly poor, but became poor upon moving out of the family home. This led to making do with very limited ingredients, finding bargains, and that has stuck with me ever since. I've saved a lot of money down the years, can live very frugally for a period of time when I really need to, and as such became a homeowner because I knew how to knuckle down and avoid unnecessary expenditure, perhaps to the detriment of my health at times.

[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

In the US, "estates" sounds vaguely wealthy. For example, a fancy garage sale is an Estate Sale (which kinda implies a rich person died and this is their estate being liquidated.)

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not implied, that's what an estate sale is, regardless of how fancy it is.

[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

The implied part is 'rich'. It isn't a guarantee.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's short for council estate. We also have the same connotation if you own an estate, a large parcel of land with a big house or whatever.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think your "council estate" is our "section 08," govt provided shitty housing projects?

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Funnily enough the council-built housing in the UK is generally of a very high structural and architectural quality. I am currently sitting in a 100+ years old council property that is still eminently habitable. Only four houses of the 125 that were built here have been demolished. All others are currently inhabited. It all began at the end of WW1:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudor_Walters_Report

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

I know. It’s weird just how good the UK’s social housing was. There was a great belief that the housing estates you built had a direct effect on the people who lived there. Compare that with some of the US’s efforts - that demolished place in St. Louis, O’block in Chicago etc. Different worlds. Eventually the UK government switched to inner city high rises (“streets in the sky”) and social results were… mixed, to say the least. Throw a lot of poor, disenfranchised, non native, non related people in a closed building and, shock horror, negative results were had. Colour me surprised.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

“the sticks” doesn’t mean poor

Is there an informal term that would describe poor rural neighborhoods similar to ghetto/barrio?

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

My friend grew up in the type of neighborhood you're describing and he calls them "backwoods communities"

[–] el_abuelo@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've never heard this term. We always called them the estate, because usually they were council estates.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Local terms will surely vary, he's from the US east coast

[–] el_abuelo@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Then why are you replying in this thread about UK terms? Lol

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

...where did OP ask for UK-specific terms? I didn't say "the estates" was wrong, I answered OP's question in a comment chain that happened to start with a UK terms for poor neighborhoods...

[–] el_abuelo@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The OP asked, in this thread, for the UK term that works. Your reply to that question led them to add another US term thinking that you were providing a UK term.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Are we reading the same thread? Nowhere in the comments does OP ask for UK-specific terms. OC said "the sticks" doesn't mean poor (agreed) and mentioned what the UK. OP accepts then asks for a better term and I replied with my anecdote.

"Backwoods" is what my friend calls the poor part of "the sticks" so I believe my reply was relevant

[–] el_abuelo@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We're obviously both interpreting the thread differently and only the OP knows whether they were asking the UK resident for the UK term or whether the OP was asking the UK resident for more US terms.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So it seems! Oh well, no hard feelings here

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 0 points 3 weeks ago

thx! updated the title 🌳🌳🌳

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago

Trailer park :/