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“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said.

“First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.

“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”

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[–] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm partially agreeing, I want to point out that they did get 7 days allotted.

Not all 7 of those are from sick time, so you've got a point.

I find it a reach to say the administration gets no credit when it's definitely been assigned to them on multiple fronts for the effort.

Congress was involved here too. Do you think our president should be a despot?

Were you directly involved in negotiations?

The people who were directly involved, gave the Biden administration credit for an assist.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Dig deeper the people who gave credit were the same members who didn't support the strike in the first place. iirc.

I blame everyone involved who voted to break the strike. don't try to assert for me things I havent asserted.

[–] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So you don't acknowledge when you're wrong, and will continue to move goalposts. You're taking a defensive posture.

It's becoming clear now.

You're a bad faith actor.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're of course welcome to continue believing that. Thats of course your prerogative. But I'm just going to point to the results since they speak for themselves.

Harris is missing 20million votes. You were warned and decided that arguing with me about the lesser evil 'optimal voting strategy' than realizing the danger harris was putting you in was a good idea. 👍 Good job. Now go convince those 20million other individuals since you've failed here.

You know what they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. (I know you struggle with analogies, you're the 🐴)

[–] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes please, tell us how marxists and leninists will save humanity and not be the same as it ever was and always has been.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

😂 never once have i mentioned them. Seek help you're arguing with ghosts.

[–] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok. What solution do you have that will work?

Please, elaborate on a working solution.

Do you have anything realistic that can change the results of citizens united vs FEC's ruling?

You said you warned us, but your cake day is not old enough to account for that. You're lying or you've been banned for being what you are.

I'm discussing facts with a bad faith actor. I'm looking for your true colors.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You spouting words doesn't make them true.

Yes, there are solutions to these problems. they've been well discussed by many people over many years. I won't be engaging with you specifically here because well frankly your not worth my time and we're well off base from the original conversation on Biden being a fucking strike breaker. which he, and congress, empirically were.

Am I happy he got them 4(!) days of sick leave? sure. do I think he fucking absolutely short changed them? 100%. you don't get credit for not pushing someone off the ledge just because you patched up their leg. You've been told to look deeper at the union groups involved and which ones played with the biden admin vs which ones were actually on strike. go do your homework. I'm happy to be proven wrong here. this is half recalled information. But beyond that shrug.

[–] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Your cake day, aka account origination date, is very recent. You claim you warned folks. You haven't been around on here long enough to do that at all.

Nice contradictory paragraphs. I only engaged with you to determine which flag you're waving. It's clearly been the one I called you on to begin with.

Paraphrasing you for anyone who doesn't want to read a bunch of half recalled (mis)information:

I won't do any homework to discuss my point. Believe me bro, because I totally said so.

Do your homework to figure out what my weave actually means. I'm not backing up any of my allegations with facts, I don't believe it's worth the time. I told you to do something.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Idiots the lot of you, you think this is the only place people and myself have been making efforts? You morons have been getting warned the entire fucking year via student protests, media articles, poll numbers.

But apparently supporting a fucking genocide and shouting 'lesser evil' was more important to you than winning the 25 electoral points. No fucking wonder harris lost. Couldnt even say 'genocide is bad mkay, we'll follow our fucking laws'

Never mind her absolutely non-existent labor/working class economic policies.

[–] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm sure your protest vote will be heard by Trump and the senseless murder.

Y'all literally are like I don't care the other guy wants to expel all Muslims (& anyone they don't like) from the country and accelerate the genocide - she's not breaking the law to stop another country who's committing murder on the taxpayer dollar.

She's not screaming exactly what I want to hear. I believe the president controls the whole world.

Therefore I choose to accelerate the genocide from someone who wants muslims and people associated with that skin color out of the country, because what matters to me is how quickly the yahoos finish the job.

That's your argument right now.

Weave harder, you're almost convincing folks you actually understand and aren't in favor of Gazan eradication.