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Once again I am going to ask you to invade lib spaces and remind them that the Dems cannot save them. Give marginalised people the tools to protect themselves and their community from harm.

Show them that they do not have to rely on the Democrats, and that they shouldn't because the Dems don't care enough to fight for them. Direct them to organisations that can help them.

Let this be your chance to build a community, there are a lot of vulnerable people feeling lost right now.

EDIT: Only if you can, of course. Please don't burn yourself out or put yourself in harm's way.

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

It is dismal here too, yeah, and I can't even begin to imagine how horrible it must be for my US comrades, but if we can protect some vulnerable people from those scratched liberals by directing them to leftist orgs that can help them, shouldn't we?

Like, what should we do? Nothing? Nah, doing nothing is for libs.

I know it probably isn't my place, sure, but I don't want you guys to give up hope.

[–] someone@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago

doing nothing is for libs.

Can we make this the site's official motto? I am completely serious.

[–] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There's really no orgs with the resources to do anything in the US. In most cities the left can barely pull off a crappy soup kitchen.

I mean yeah we should try and do something, but I'm not going to lie to people about their prospects. And honestly it may be better for peoples mental health to accept defeat than struggle on in futility, at least then you can matt-grillin

[–] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Cuban Revolution started with 82 people in a boat.

[–] Ivysaur@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Listen. I’ve been organizing, agitating, doing anything at all that I can for nearly two decades in this shitheap of a country. Do you know what I have to show for it? Piles of corpses and social murder galore. I got a world that is happy to tell me to get bent every time I have the displeasure of committing such a radical act as walking to the fucking grocery store. It’s not going to get better. @Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net is basically correct. After witnessing the general population’s COVID response, their response to ongoing genocide, the absolute bipartisan (universal!) public health collapse, and living in this atomized, individualistic hell for nearly four decades now, I have complete confidence in saying this. We should take advantage of this specific moment? Not a global fucking pandemic? Not an ongoing genocide? Not centuries of racism, slavery, poisoning of native lands, the earth we all share? None of this has been what makes us failures, apparently, but a Trump victory that everyone is replaying 2016 for is the straw that breaks the camel’s back, what really makes us dumbasses for failing to capitalize? We fail to capitalize because this population does not want it. Tell my immunocompromised, disabled ass to self-crit over this, whatever. I’ve done plenty. I’ll fight til there’s nothing left because I don’t know anything else, but you cannot make me have hope. I hate all of these people too.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, you can wear a mask and organise.

And like, obviously I'm not going to judge people who are burnt out for bowing out.

[–] Ivysaur@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean, you can wear a mask and organise.

Let me tell you how well that’s going, because I actually have done this!

They call me a wrecker. They call me a fed. They tell me COVID is over, it’s just a cold, and I am overreacting. Only sometimes do they say they will accommodate, and then they still don’t. I show up to demonstrations & events I was promised would be “fully masked”, “masking enforced”, and there are no masks on any faces; there is no enforcement of anything. At best, single digit numbers among 40, 50 people, on average for the kinds of things I try to attend. Anything larger? Hell the fuck no they won’t. And this is in one of the most “progressive” cities in the country!

This is a thought-terminating cliche at this point.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Gah, that sucks. I dunno what to say.

Fucking COVID denialism pisses me off.

I can't blame you at all. Know I'm not calling people like you stupid, at all.

I guess I'm just frustrated and wish we could do more? Like what else can we do? I guess online mutual aid stuff?

[–] Ivysaur@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I’m sorry for coming so hard at you specifically, I like you a lot friend owl. You are funny and cheerful and I appreciate that, but I radicalized a lot younger than most people I know of and this is just the reality I have been experiencing for my whole life.

I am always looking for some light at the end of this tunnel, a hopeful answer to give, but I think what’s most likely to happen to empire now would be like what happened to Rome: the population dwindles — due to endless war & mass death, fleeing — until there is nothing left to churn through and things cease to function. Even that is optimistic. I do not put it above this country to blow the world up before that can happen, and regardless of anything else further pandemics are guaranteed as the global population’s immune systems get cumulatively destroyed by endless COVID and other unknown pathogens emerging due to increasing climate disasters altering the environment. Tuberculosis was thought to be, essentially, gone; it is now surging around the country in numbers not seen for something close to the last century. In all cases, the prognosis is still extremely dire to me. I don’t know how one can see what’s happening around them and deny it. We can and should build ad-hoc collectives and communities and extend that influence where we can, but I do not think that power extends beyond this small footprint until the complete and total collapse of empire, and I know that’s not a good answer, but until I find a better one (and I haven’t yet; I really, really am trying) then that is how I predict things playing out. This is the most optimistic thing I can say.

That doesn’t mean do nothing. Like I said, I still fight because I do not know how else to live. But god damn it am I sick of hearing this sentiment from “leftists” whose first taste of anything was Bernard fucking Sanders eight years ago. “Just organize”, “touch grass doomer”, “get involved with your community, lib” ad nauseum.