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yes!
One of the reasons Kamala failed was that her central message was crippled from the start. Her main campaign plank was that Trump was a threat to democracy. The problem with this was that Biden didn't treat him like a threat to democracy.
Trump should have been arrested on day one of Biden's term. He should have been rapidly tried in a military tribunal, had the book thrown at him, and quickly been convicted. And SCOTUS justices that dared to try to intervene should have been charged as accomplices tried with similar swiftness.
Biden didn't do that. He appointed a Republican to lead the DOJ. That Republican then sat on his ass for two years, then began a slow investigation, only for Trump to eventually run out the clock.
Biden did not treat Trump like a threat to democracy. Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus the last time there was a similarly-scaled threat to democracy. Lincoln ruled like a dictator during the Civil War. He had pro-Southern newspapers, in the North, censored and shut down. He actually showed what you need to do to a true threat to democracy.
True threats to democracy require bold and sometimes quite draconian response. It's an emergency, democracy is on the line, and drastic action is required.
If you DON'T act with that kind of haste, you show that you don't actually feel democracy is being threatened that much. Biden proved that he really didn't believe his own rhetoric. Biden in his heart really doesn't believe that Trump is a threat to democracy, as he certainly didn't act like he thought he is.
This is why Kamala's central campaign message fell flat on his face. There is ZERO reason an incumbent should ever be able to run on a platform of "my opponent tried to steal the last election." If you're the incumbent, it was YOUR responsibility to protect the republic from threats against it. If your opponent is truly a threat to the republic, why weren't they locked up or sent to the gallows a long time ago?
That was the central problem of Kamala's core message. If someone tries to violently overthrow the government, you are supposed to send the military after them and turn them into a fine mist or turn the justice department on them and see them hanged for treason. You're not supposed to just let them off the hook and then bitch to the electorate that they're dangerous and can't be trusted. And if someone is a true threat to the republic, you shouldn't even let the Supreme Court get in your way.
Finally, someone who understands the historical lens. Thank you
So fascism has been defeated?
Wow real time moving the goalposts!
they mad because they can't troll against simple one word responses.
them when they read "yes"
There is no moving the goal post, I asked a simple question, since the premise was the same in 2020, "vote Biden to defeat the rise of fascism", I'm asking how effective that was. Did it work? Was the rise of fascism stopped? Altered? Slowed down?
so when did you realize you were a fascist supporting piece of shit?
Yes? It was slowed down by a full presidential term
That's not really anything to brag about when we are now in worse shape than before.
Hey, the Earth won't last forever. Eventually all life will end. So maybe we should just let it all end asap. Keeping it going is nothing to brag about since we'll lose in the end anyway. Is that right?
Or maybe we should make the best of the time we have. Maybe we should push back against fascism and corruption and destruction, even if our victories don't last forever. What do you think? Is it worth defeating a fascist leader once even if fascism can still eventually return, or is it all just a waste of effort and we should just roll over and die?
But you didn't defeat the fascist leader. He's in power now. And a lot of people told you this would happen if you kept the same strategy. Yet you insisted it was the right one.
You're saying that people me stuff and that I insisted on whoever... who exactly do you think I am? I haven't insisted on anything like what you're talking about.
In any case, I think you'll find that in the previous election the fascist leader did in fact lose. That does count as a defeat for them, doesn't it?
It had been stalled. If we were able to stall long enough for Trump to kick the bucket, I would have called that a win
It was stalled, but then Biden and the rest of the Democrats squandered that opportunity to actually solve the problem. Instead, they delusionally chained themselves to behavioral norms that were dead and gone and kept trying to prop up the neoliberal status quo, while doing pretty much nothing effective to fix the working class' problems (i.e. the disaffection that led to the fascist demagogue's success in the first place).
I guess it’s gonna have to get worse before it gets better
Careful now, you'll get downvotes in this thread if you don't focus exclusively on blaming the voters for it getting worse. Admitting that it might get better afterwards is like admitting that the Democrats might be somewhat responsibile for their electoral failures.
It hasn't been stalled considering it got an even bigger win this time. It grew! That's even worst. But stalled isn't good either. Destroyed is what you're looking for, and you ain't going to get it from the makers of the material conditions that enable fascism to arise.
It didn't grow though. Trump got fewer votes this time than he did in 2020.
I want you to read this, and I want you to really understand.
I want you to think about this for at least the next week.
Because when you understand this, you will realize so much that you have ignored.
Fascism is simply an ideology.
How do you kill an idea? You kill the people who share the idea.
This next question is incredibly important.
So how do you propose we kill fascism? An idea that is known and shared with over seven billion people.
How would you stop it?
When people do not feel safety and security, they will first reach for scapegoats. When that doesn’t work, they will reach for a gun.
There are a lot of people hurting in this country, obviously a whole lot more than I thought. So the people have found their scapegoats this cycle, now we wait and see if it satisfies them.
Killing a people isn't killing an ideology. That said, as far as I'm concerned these animals (trump supporters) aren't even human, let alone entitled to rights. The only reason I'd ever advocate for their best interest is when it's in the best interest of actual people caught up in their horrid little towns and villages (it's me, I'm caught up in one of these horrid little places. It's bad.)
I meant more that it had been stalled in 2020
Yes that's what I said. It hasn't been stalled in 2020, it got worse since.
do you honestly think that a political system can be defeated?
you suck at logical fallacies btw.
try harder.