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The dev culture certainly contributes to the problem. In the attempt to modularize, isolate functionality from expectations and create reusable code, a mess of abstraction patterns have sprung up.

I get the point: Your logic shouldn't be tightly coupled to your data storage, nor to the presentation, so you can swap out your persistence method without touching your business logic and use the same business logic for multiple frontends. You can reuse parts of your frontend (like some corporate design default structures) for different business apps.

But you can also go overboard with it, and while it's technically a dev culture issue rather than a language one, it practically creates another hurdle to jump if you want to use Java in an enterprise context. And since that hurdle is placed at the summit of the mountain that is Inheritance, Abstraction and Generics... well, like I said, massively front-loaded.

Once you have a decent intuition for it, the sheer ubiquity makes it easier to find your way around other projects built on the same patterns, but getting there can be a confusing slog.

So you're going to stride past the part where I say "I'm not going to [...] claim that it's better or worse than others", ignore the bulk of my comment on Java being hard to get into, make a point of declaring you'll downvote for stating a personal opinion, then pretend it's "nothing personal"? I'd be curious how that makes sense in your mind.

Anyway, like I said, I see no point in petty tribalism. I like Python and C too - that's not mutually exclusive. I hope you have a pleasant, Java-less day :)

Minecraft is a decent example of a good java program. People jump to the first silly reason to disregard it. Cope.

Python and Java are barely comparable. I adore both languages equally and use them about the same amount at work. They are just different tools better suited to different tasks.