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It's the dunk tank.

This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.

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My personal opinion, for those who are interested, is that these two instances (Hexbear and Lemmygrad) are filled with what we call here nazbols, tankies, or even left-wing fascists.

They are primarily authoritarians who like to call themselves leftist, but use the same tools, have the same political vision, the same organization, and politically and historically tend to ally with “official” fascists as soon as a truly revolutionary leftist movement emerges.

I found it tolerable to “do nothing” as long as they stayed in their corners, but I had somewhat forgotten that an authoritarian remains an authoritarian and that the only place they deserve is down a well, not forgetting to strike the hands that try to escape with a big stick.

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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (25 children)

Explain. Defend yourself, you have the ability to, right here, explain how what I said was projection. If you can't, what's the point of acting smug here? Humiliation?

[–] anansi@hexbear.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

Switching to an alt here since the thread was blocked in the other instance.

explain how what I said was projection

Sure, I'll just repeat myself here.

"Leftists" who never read theory and live in the Global North inevitably side with Empire and Colonialism

I think this is just projection because nothing in my history of posts defends empires and colonialism, and my whole point is that you actually do when you think it's the good guyses doing it.

My whole point on the Xinjiang topic was that you all chose to ignore chinese history that goes pretty much as far as we have written history of it, explaining the whole way of dealing with minorities by forced assimilation, coming from the clanic and dynastic organization of Chinese provinces for millenias.

You chose to ignore the continuation of such practices when it caused, amongst other issues, a big point of dissension in the sino-soviet wars.

You chose to ignore the continuation of such practices in thi modern context still in Xinjiang, now also in Hong-Kong.

You chose to ignore the whole area of study about sinicization, which is pretty much that subject, and you also chose to ignore how similar the situation is between the PRC and provinces that want to be independant, to what Israel is doing with Palestine, which stems from the same imperialistic logic.

You chose to ignore the material reasons leading to China wanting to keep control over the Xinjiang province, for both natural resources, arable land, and the location for the BRI.

You chose to ignore that the acceleration in the settlement and ethnic erasure of the Xinjiang province is strangely close to the acceleration of the BRI project.

And when I, or other people, call you out about your performative leftism, you conclude that this is coming from people that, for some reason, are aligned with the US point of view, without one second thinking that people can agree with the goal of a country/people while still being critical of it.

You are the one agreeing with colonization of provinces, settlements aimed at erasing whole cultures, accepting imperialist tactics when it comes from a country you like. You're projecting.

and see people pushing for national liberation and revolution as dangerous to them personally

No, I'm also pushing for the Xinjiang to reach the independence they're fighting for for almost a century now, the same way I push for Palestine to be free of the colonial power trying to erase them from the map and history.

Being a tankie and openly excusing political organization that purged independence movements, helped fascists fight against independence movements lead by anarchists that you feel were threatening to you is materialistically fighting against revolution and liberation efforts.

MLs and their children are far more responsible for the erasure of the revolutionary left from the international politic spectrum than any libshit or fascists.

There is far less need for propaganda to sully the left when you call yourself communists, purge anything more left or revolutionary than you, install some fat cats into power and slowly liberalize your economy while "forgetting" to actually give back power to the people.

Y'all are unable to see the obvious fact that there is no need for CIA plants when you do their job for free.

Meanwhile, while you're being armchair leftists just spreading your ignorance online, people like me, actual leftists, are outside forming people in popular education associations, working in unions and syndicates to actually change the political discourse.

Primarily "authoritarians?" Who forms their political ideology around supporting use of authority, and not based on analysis of material conditions and who modern structures serve?

Yes.

This claim is left unsupported as though it is natural and obvious, as though people decide to be "authoritarian" by siding against Imperialism and colonialism, seeking power from siding with the people with less power. It's nonsense.

You side against western imperialism and colonialism, while siding for anything else that goes against it, because you're just contrarians with no political backbones.

Also power is relative. By your logic you'd have sided with the nazis because they were fighting against most western countries while ignoring the fact that they were also kind of putting jews in ovens. Your stance is nonsense.

Secondly, there is a claim of using the "same tools," as fascists, which is false. Communists are revolutionary, fascists work with the establishment.

Communists yes, what you call communism no.

You are only revolutionary until you seize power, then it's business as usual until you built enough capital for you and your friends that you can liberalize the economy until your "communist" state gets destroyed, have an excuse to leave the country to capitalists while you live your life in Cancùn.

Communists support democracy via Democratic Centralism, fascists crush democracy.

Democratic Centralism in practice in your MLs countries irremediably end up as a farce because actual democracy would challenge power structures, so you only allow partial democracy after you literally purged anybody that would not agree with what you want to be the result of the vote.

Communists are internationalists, fascists are nationalists.

Ever heard of Stalin take on communism ? Or the CCP one ?

Your brand of communism is internationalist as long as it means colonizing and assimilating other countries lmao

Communists support violence against oppressors as a tool of liberation, fascists support violence against the oppressed as a tool of submission.

Sure, the nazis didn't justify their actions by saying they were fighting against a global elite that oppressed the poor german people.

Also it's true that your tankies regime never had any way of putting any dissenting people into submission using the state apparatus.

I can continue dunking on your ignorant asses all day if you want, but you should spend your time actually reading theory, but also academic literature so you can do your autocritic brother, because you're pretty cringe.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

This is a fascinating document that merits detailed research and discussion. kiryu-stare

My whole point on the Xinjiang topic was that you all chose to ignore chinese history that goes pretty much as far as we have written history of it, explaining the whole way of dealing with minorities by forced assimilation, coming from the clanic and dynastic organization of Chinese provinces for millenias.

Ahh, yes, the devious Oriental and their ancient murderous ways. Come the fuck on, this is Klan shit. Contemporary Chinese people are genocidal because the fucking Yuan dynasty was genocidal? Because Cao Cao was a shithead? Because Kublai Khan was a jerk? frothingfash

I'm also pushing for the Xinjiang to reach the independence they're fighting for for almost a century now

This is like the State Department's in-house version of the Chronicles of Narnia. cognitohazard

Meanwhile, while you're being armchair leftists just spreading your ignorance online, people like me, actual leftists, are outside forming people in popular education associations, working in unions and syndicates to actually change the political discourse.

We need to do research on how "I, the only true Lefists, actually goes outside while you, redfash-libero-tankie-jerklords, do not have any subjective understanding of the color green" and how people just develop this absolutely iron-clad believe that they or their in-group are the only people who do any kind of activism. This has to get down to some primal construction of in-group / out-group dynamics clark-kent-stare

By your logic you'd have sided with the nazis because they were fighting against most western countries while ignoring the fact that they were also kind of putting jews in ovens. Your stance is nonsense.

You guys are red-fash tankies just like the Soviets who bore the overwhelming brunt of fighting against the Hitlerites, liberated the death camps, and along with the Dominican Republic were the only country in the world that didn't establish quotas on Jewish refugees and accepted everyone who managed to reach the borders! lenin-dont-laugh

Sure, the nazis didn't justify their actions by saying they were fighting against a global elite that oppressed the poor german people.

Anti-Capitalism is exactly the same as Anti-semitism. I am a real leftist and I am very well read and have a good concept of theory monke-ruserious

I can continue dunking on your ignorant asses all day if you want

Honestly, this is possibly the most fascinating thing every posted on Hexbear. This isn't just brainworms, this is like brain Shai-Hulud. This is the grandfather brainworms. Just reading this I've got a contact high of the awareness-spectrum narcotic the spice melange. I'm pretty sure I could drive to Chicago without GPS maps and without getting stuck in construction right now. panting

[–] Pili@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I can continue dunking on your ignorant asses all day if you want

Honestly, this is possibly the most fascinating thing every posted on Hexbear.

Unfortunately for us, they did not, in fact, "continue dunking on our ignorant asses all day". They actually fled with their tail between their legs as soon as Cowbee replied to them, never to be seen again.

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago

They actually fled with their tail between their legs as soon as Cowbee replied to them, never to be seen again.

Like I said. Crying like a freshly-shorn castrati. Cowbee might actually have a Yogthos-tier powerlevel.

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