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[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

So was it the the Russians who blew up their own Nord pipeline, or was it that Ukrainian guy with a yacht? It's hard to keep track

Data cables defo Russia sabotage (if deliberate), doesn't serve anyone else's goals

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Ukranian special ops, acting on their own

Edit: Story

[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 3 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Thst story is completely fake - it has no source.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Except for the German federal prosecutors, Dutch officials, former Ukranian commander in chief, and the sabotage team themselves, I suppose you're right.

Days after the attack, in October 2022, Germany’s foreign secret service received a second tipoff about the Ukrainian plot from the CIA, which again passed on a report by the Dutch military intelligence agency MIVD. It offered a detailed account of the attack, including the type of boat used and the possible route taken by the crew, according to German and Dutch officials.

Inasumuch as you can have a source for a covert operation after the fact.

[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Can you link the direct source - like, statement of german police or official press conference?

I've spent some time looking into this and found no direct sources.

BTW, these articles are copypaste - There were bunch of much older (2023?) ones which I also failed to find any credible source for.

EDIT: Correction, the first articles about this came out 3 months ago

The part about Zelenski ordering sabotage while drunk has both no source and is utterly ridiculous.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

The part about Zelenski ordering sabotage while drunk has both no source and is utterly ridiculous.

I agree. I also didn't see it in the article -?

If you want to find German federal prosecutor records, or Dutch itelligence reports - I'm not sure where to go for those.

It pains me to say this but the WSJ, while being a Murdoch rag and certainly guilty of ridiculous bias in the way it reports things, isn't really known for making up things whole cloth like the Daily Mail or something.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Do you think German police would issue an arrest warrant against a Ukrainian, while their country is supporting Ukraine in the war, if they didn't have any solid proof? https://apnews.com/article/germany-nord-stream-pipelines-explosions-investigation-d5579ea69995e8f309ac58c588c39004

[–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky initially approved the plan, according to one officer who participated and three people familiar with it. But later, when the CIA learned of it and asked the Ukrainian president to pull the plug, he ordered a halt, those people said. Zelensky’s commander in chief, Valeriy Zaluzhniy, who was leading the effort, nonetheless forged ahead.

Not exactly on their own initially according to this article.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Zelensky took Zaluzhniy to task, but the general shrugged off his criticism, according to three people familiar with the exchange. Zaluzhniy told Zelensky that the sabotage team, once dispatched, went incommunicado and couldn’t be called off because any contact with them could compromise the operation.

"Oops" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯