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The Pentagon was publicly dismissive of Trump’s pledge to employ the military to conduct mass deportations. “The Department does not comment on hypotheticals or speculate on what may occur,” a Defense Department spokesperson told The Intercept.

There are an estimated 13 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. A onetime mass deportation operation would cost at least $315 billion, according to a recent analysis from the American Immigration Council. A longer-term project involving arrests, processing, and deportations would cost around $968 billion over more than 10 years. The report emphasizes that this is a “highly conservative” estimate. It does not take into account the likelihood that this deportation operation of 13 million people would require the construction and staffing of detention facilities on a scale that dwarfs the current U.S. prison system, which held 1.9 million people all told in 2022 — let alone the effect of removing an estimated 5 percent of the American workforce from the country, who collectively pay over $105 billion in taxes each year.

In 2023, Trump’s top immigration policy adviser, Stephen Miller, indicated that military funding would be used to build “vast holding facilities that would function as staging centers” for immigrants awaiting deportations. Throughout the presidential race, Trump also vowed to mobilize the National Guard to assist with his planned expulsions. Experts say that military involvement in any deportation plan would mark a fundamental shift for the armed forces, which do not normally conduct domestic law enforcement operations.

Trump has also said he would invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, to expel suspected members of drug cartels without due process. That archaic law allows for summary deportation of people from countries with which the U.S. is at war, that have invaded the United States, or have committed “predatory incursions.”

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[–] riskable@programming.dev 87 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Here's how it's going to go:

  • Pentagon will put up enormous resistance because of cost and impractically.
  • Pentagon officials will be fired left and right because, "they can't get stuff done."
  • Eventually enough competent people will be replaced with loyalists then they'll actually start kidnapping immigrants and placing them in facilities that were never meant for large amounts of people.
  • American citizens that look like the conservative enemy of the day will be kidnapped along with legal and illegal immigrants.
  • The US government will get sued over and over again for fucking up basic shit like "accidentally" kidnapping Black/Asian/Latino Americans and even simpler things like keeping people fed (because the Trump administration doesn't care about competency; only loyalty; or these people, for that matter).
  • Countries will refuse to accept the sheer number of people (same exact problem Hitler had!) leading the Trump administration trying to come up with "solutions".
  • They'll force the kidnapped people to do traditional prison work. Except there's not enough demand for that many license plates so they'll switch to literally selling their labor, allowing Trump's personal circle of rich friends to profit at their expense.
  • Due to unbelievable levels of sheer incompetentcy that won't work out so near the end of Trump's term--when he's panicking about having to face justice again--he'll attempt to implement a more, "final solution."
[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 33 points 4 days ago (3 children)

At what point do the sane people left in the military start following their oaths and start taking those assholes out? Seeing the government drag away innocent citizens should be a clear trigger for action.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 days ago

Never. There's no space in their oath for fragging their commander in response to a legal order.
At the highest level, doing so is a military coup, and directly opposed to their oath.

Rounding up innocent Americans and putting them in camps isn't unconstitutional if you pass a law saying you can do it. Just ask the Japanese citizens of the country of the military stood up for them, or if they just accepted their legal orders.

Relying on the military, the violent arm of the state, to protect us from the civilian arm of the state is at best not going to happen. More likely it's so much worse if they do, because they typically don't turn control over to someone better, if they do at all.

[–] minnow@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

I really admire your optimism.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The officer corps will stand up. Which is exactly why they're plotting to court martial "treasonous" officers over the Afghanistan pullout. You know, the event Trump started and Biden finished? The events ordered by both Commanders in Chief?

The enlisted men will, mostly, do as they're told.

[–] leds@feddit.dk 12 points 4 days ago

Here's how it's going to go:

  • Pentagon will put up enormous resistance because of cost and impractically.
  • Pentagon officials will be fired left and right because, "they can't get stuff done."

And then Russia will have succeeded disabling US military, didn't even need to fight

[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You forgot the part where all the competent military personnel have OTHER jobs to do that they can’t do once they’re fired, so the entire US military goes to shit and Trump says to Putin, “What now, daddy?”

[–] Sludge@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Damn as a brown person and legal citizen I can't wait to get mistakenly deported.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

For your convenience, Be sure to carry your papers with you at all times, "citizen".

[–] morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I wish I was as optimistic as you.

You think there'll be an end to his term.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Except there’s not enough demand for that many license plates so they’ll switch to literally selling their labor

The college I work at use to have prison labor. Then the roads department ran out of people willing to have streets, so we lost them to road paving. With 3% unemployment, there is incredible demand for prison labor. And this is under Biden, though I don't expect 3% to hold long after Trump gets in.