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So many incredibly stupid takes in comments. This is not a game. This is not a fucking Netflix special. The escalation ladder is so easy to go up, but so hard to climb down. This is a terrifying development.
This should be delivered to Putin, How exactly should the world deal with a fanatic armed with nukes?
Maybe the US shouldn't have made such an obvious and stupid choice to escalate the conflict by allowing Ukraine to use their weapons?
Maybe Iran and North Korea shouldn't have made such an obvious and stupid choice to escalate the conflict by allowing Russia to use their weapons?
Iran and the DPRK are in no position to allow Russia to do anything.
North Korea could not have been forced to use their troops to attack Ukraine if Kim Jong Un did not want them too. Iran I'm guessing did not care which hospital their weapons landed in.
You people talk like you think you're at the strategy table in game of thrones, and not one of us mud-covered peasants. I'm willing to bet you know less than nothing about the causes of this war and the dynamics between it's participants.
Naked projection, your side has been bombing hospitals for a year in Palestine and a century everywhere else.
Truly brilliant. Also there is no evidence the DPRK is deploying troops to attack Ukraine.
Show it then? It would be much more effective than “yes there is.”
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/6227475
Reasserting your empty claim is not evidence.
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
"You have got to be fucking kidding me." Send in the Wagner PMC group (named after Hitler's favourite composer and co founded by a NAZI) to oppose them Because of course Russia does not have a NAZI problem. (Shame Prigozhin got out of line and had to be murdered in the end.)
"Reasserting your empty claim is not evidence." If you spent 20 seconds more looking you would have found more news reports of the North Korean troops. But you didn't. And I'm not bothering.
I’ve seen the reports. They say those troops are in Russia. If they’ve done anything to date, they’ve defended Russian territory, in Russia.
"they’ve defended Russian territory, in Russia." LOL Prigozhin is dead, he's not doing another march on Moscow.
Had you forgotten that we were talking about North Korea?
Regardless of this, I do not think we should escalate things with a nuclear power.
Serious question here, but how exactly do you think the world should deal with a dictator armed with nukes? Capitulate at every single threat?
I don’t know how the world should deal with Biden, truly. Russia is not the power that is issuing threats. NATO did exactly what they recognized for decades would push Russia to invade. Ask how Russia should deal with a foreign power covertly manipulating their neighbor’s politics to elevate Nazis who would go on to bomb Russian speakers.
"NATO did exactly what they recognized for decades would push Russia to invade." Which is nothing.
"Ask how Russia should deal with a foreign power covertly manipulating their neighbor’s politics to elevate Nazis who would go on to bomb Russian speakers." LOL Now you are into delusional crackpot territory.
Wrt doing “nothing”:
https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-russia-may-have-make-ukraine-deal-one-day-partners-cheated-past-2022-12-09/
June 2022 WSJ/National Opinion Research Center poll showed 55% of Ukrainians believed NATO (and 58% wrt the US, 70% wrt the Ukrainian govt.) bears some/a great deal of responsibility for the Russian invasion and ongoing war.
(and below)
Wrt “covertly manipulating their neighbor’s politics to elevate Nazis”:
https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/analysis-u-s-cozies-kiev-government-including-far-right-n66061
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17nC9epcFDOYcVDIcJyWx0udBGPOJiNanuAUu8jxUvmU/edit
And wrt “bomb[ing] Russian speakers”:
https://youtu.be/1fsMqYqHnN0
https://web.archive.org/web/20230320234408/https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/1497097389521342464
Are you a troll, or do you simply not know anything?
errmm, actually, history started in February 2022 ☝️🤓
Putin is a fascist. That is a fact. (so is Trump for that matter) Fascists should be opposed, this is also a fact.
My question is why do you uncritically support fascists?
[Citation needed]
He's an absolute dictator who has his (serious) opponents murdered. Seems clear to me.
Right, he’s a dictator who was elected by popular vote, because he’s very popular. Russians have good reason to like him: he kicked the Western capitalist neoliberal shock therapy plunderers out of the country (which is also why the West reviles him). It’s still a capitalist shithole, but at least it’s their shithole and not a neocolonized state anymore.
We should pick our battles. Do you want to get nuked for Ukraine of all places?
So your answer is to capitulate at every threat. Good going.
What's stopping you from going to Ukraine and fighting?
Everyone talks big about war, they just want someone else to fight it
You do understand this is circular logic right? Why should Russia capitulate to every US or NATO threat?
yeah we lost 90% of the world's population from global nuclear hellfire and the resulting fallout, but for a brief moment there we really showed Putin who's boss!!
Who cares
Seriously
Would you rather you and your whole family gets killed or the lines on the map say Russia? You still don't own the means of production so same shit different asshole.
There is no bourgeois capitalist cause that's worth the death of a single civilian