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On “Safe” C++: An Odyssey of Sneers (izzys.casa)

submitted 3 days ago by self@awful.systems to c/techtakes@awful.systems

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this post has been making the rounds on Mastodon, for good reason. it’s nominally a post about the governance and community around C++, but (without spoiling too much) it’s written as a journey packed with cathartic sneers at a number of topics and people we’ve covered here before. as a quick preview, tell me this isn’t relatable:

This is not a feel good post, and to even call it a rant would be dismissive of the absolute unending fury I am currently living through as 8+ years of absolute fucking horseshit in the C++ space comes to fruition, and if I don’t write this all as one entire post, I’m going to physically fucking explode.

fucking masterful

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[–] rook@awful.systems 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

It’s a long read, but a good one (though not a nice one).

learn about how all the people who actually make decisions in c++ world are complete assholes!
liking go (the programming language) correlated with brain damage!
in c++ world, it is ok to throw an arbitrary number of highly competent non-bros out of the window in order to keep a bro on board, even if said bro drugged and raped a minor!
the c++ module system is like a gunshot wound to the ass!
c++ leadership is delusional about memory safety!
even more assholes!

Someone on mastodon (can’t remember who right now) joked that they were expecting the c++ committee to publicly support trump, in the hopes he would retract the usg memory safety requirements. I can now believe that they might have considered that, and are probably hoping he’ll come down in their favour now that he’s coming in.

[–] self@awful.systems 14 points 2 days ago

I can now believe that they might have considered that, and are probably hoping he’ll come down in their favour now that he’s coming in.

I’m betting there are some juicy logs of something like this happening in the C++ Alliance Slack’s secret #unfiltered channel, given that its typical content allegedly consists of abuse directed towards marginalized people, coordination of harassment and misinformation on community platforms, and various other fash shit. it’s weird that a Slack so closely associated with the “professional and respectful” ISO C++ committee would host two (including the diet version, #on-topic) of what are essentially chan-style trolling channels for people who think they’re adults on an official Slack. maybe it shouldn’t be too surprising, since one committee member felt comfortable posting an extensive, unhinged COVID conspiracy rant on the WG21 mailing list — with a community like that, it’s just a matter of time before the assholes in charge go mask-off.

and for anyone who hasn’t read the article yet, the above isn’t even the worst shit you’ll learn about, it’s a fucking rollercoaster (and there are some details alluded to that you’ll only pick up on a second reading too)